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So long, Catholic Boy Scouts?

Surprising news:

Boy Scouts of America Says Discussing End to Ban on Gay Members

DALLAS (Reuters) – Boy Scouts of America is discussing ending a longstanding ban on gay members and whether to allow local organizations to decide their own policy, a spokesman said on Monday.

Lifting the ban would mark a dramatic reversal for the 103-year-old organization, which only last summer reaffirmed its policy amid heavy criticism from gay rights groups and some parents of scouts.

“The BSA is discussing potentially removing the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation,” spokesman Deron Smith said in an email to Reuters.

“The policy change under discussion would allow the religious, civic or educational organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting to determine how to address this issue,” the spokesman said.

The organization, which had more than 2.6 million youth members and more than 1 million adult members at the end of 2012, “would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents,” Smith said.

That would effectively put an end to Catholic-sponsored scout troops, which account for 10 percent of all troops. Mormon-sponsored groups account for more than a third of all troops, and religious organizations sponsor two-thirds of all troops, according to this article.

The Girl Scouts are already in the Catholic dock over charges (or an “urban legend,” some say) that their cookies support contraception and abortion programs. (Catholics make up a quarter of the nation’s 3 million Girl Scouts.)

Is this the end of Catholic scouting? Or are there alternatives?

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David Gibson

David Gibson is a national reporter for RNS and an award-winning religion journalist, author and filmmaker. He has written several books on Catholic topics. His latest book is on biblical artifacts: "Finding Jesus: Faith. Fact. Forgery," which was also the basis of a popular CNN series.


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  • Why would it end Roman Catholic and Mormon troops if the local organizations could maintain anti-gay policies?

  • In the case of the RC Church, the bishops have opposed cooperating with groups that promote positions they consider morally wrong, so affiliating with the BSA — if the gay ban is dropped — would be problematic. Moreover, Catholic leaders have supported the BSA’s gay ban. So it’s hard to see how they could keep their ties in the event of a change.

  • The author is in error. The Catholic Church dos not teach that homosexuality morally wrong. The Church teaches that all are children of God, worthy of dignity and respect. Please read the document “Always Our Children” by the US Conference of Bishops. The Church does teach that a sexual relationship between homosexual people is immoral.

    Deacon Norcio

  • Agnikan: A couple of things would be considered morally wrong by the bishops. One is having a gay boy who is “out” and “practicing” — i.e. dating and such — be part of a Boy Scout troop. Another is the possibility (which is apparently in play) of having gay men serve as scout leaders. The other problem, and really the biggest, would be for the Catholic Church to be in a formal association with a group — the BSA — that now welcomes or allows gays as members and leaders. For years now the church has been severing ties with any group that has any ties to organizations that promote or tolerate gay rights or contraception etc.

  • Mr.Gibson is incorrect again. The Church does not teach that homosexuality is immoral. The Church does not argue against gay rights. Mr Gibson and others should read the document “Always Our Children” that was published by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops.

    The Church does teach that a sexual relationship between homosexuals is immoral and that marriage is between one man and one woman. Apparently there are some who would characterize these two positions of the Church as “anti-gay”. This view possibly exhibits more of an anti-Catholic bias than an accurate characterization of the Church’s position.

    The Church also teaches that a sexual relationship between heterosexuals outside of marriage is immoral. The Church is not anti-straight, no more than it is anti-gay.

    I would encourage anyone reading Mr. Gibson’s blog to rely on Church documents for the Church’s positions rather than relying on what Mr. Gibson says the Church teaches. The Catholic bishops teach for the Church, not Mr. Gibson.

    Dcn. Norcio

  • Deacon Norcio: Thanks for the comment, and “Always our Children” is a very fine document. But it was published in 1997 and public policy issues have changed as have the approach of the bishops to these issues.

    I still believe this will be problematic for the hierarchy. Consider this from the USCCB spokesman yesterday, to the AP:

    Said Sister Mary Ann Walsh, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, “The bishops hope the Boy Scouts will continue to work under the Judeo-Christian principles upon which they were founded and under which they have served youth well.”

  • Thanks, David, for highlighting this. Scouting is and will continue to be beneficial for many children. Catholic voters emphatically told the pope and his preferred choice, former Mormon bishop, in November that sexual orientation will not drive their religious practice.
    Parents will mainly accept gay participation in scouting as they increasingly do in other spheres of life, thank God. The Vatican’s anti-gay crusade will go the way of the anti-contraception crusade, into the dustbin of church history as just one more futile effort by the Vatican to dominate overly trusting Catholics by controlling their sexuality. The Middle Ages are over.
    The Church hierarchy are under seige and smart Cardinals are realizing that backing the current Vatican clique is an increasingly losing proposition.

    For further explanation, please see my statement at

  • Sorry Jerry: not only is homosexuality clearly a disordered behavior—shown simply and clearly by using our natural reason—but it is clearly immoral behavior to billions of Muslims, Jews and Christians.

    That’s the fact, Jack.

  • I have been E Maiing my fellow Catholics and Scouts. Right now the National BSA Council should be getting a loud signal to keep the current policy. From what I understand, this move to change policy is by a small group on the National Board, so if we keep the pressure on, we can win.

    Jerry: church hierarchy under siege? Then the entire church is under siege: can you understand that?

    Deacon, what Diocese are you in?

  • Mr. Gibson,
    You are correct that “Always Our Children” was issued in 1997 and I agree with you that public policy issues have changed and perhaps the bishops’ approach to these might have changed; but Catholic theology has not changed. You seem to be implying that it has. On this point, you are entirely incorrect and are misleading people.

    I will not presume to speak for the bishops, as you presume; but then I am a Catholic who respects the Church and its bishops and who knows and understands Catholic theology and canon law. My concern is not your opinion or attitude toward the Catholic Church and its bishops, or even the Church’s theology. My concern is that you seem to be purposely misleading people concerning the theology and teachings of the Church.

    I will assume you are uninformed, rather than being intellectually disingenuous.

    Dcn. Norcio

  • Deacon Norcio: Thanks for the generous reply. Indeed, catholic theology has not changed, I agree. And perhaps I am being presumptuous in seeming to predict the bishops’ course of action. Best to wait and see — all will be revealed.

    I think there will also be lots of behind the scenes lobbying and this new policy may not happen. Or it may.

  • By standing in opposition to the BSA’s lifting its ban of gay scouts, the bishops would seem to undermine their oft repeated message that being gay in and of iteslf is not a sin. By opposing the lifting of the ban, the bishops would be definitely declaring that discrimination against gay people for being gay is OK–which has always been their not-tto subtle message anyway.

  • Are you kidding Eugene? The homosexuals will not be satisfied until homosexual acceptance is mandatory in all troops. Also what about having joint at Catholic or Mormon buildings? In a multi troop camping trip, how will parents know that homosexuals are not around their children?

  • A lot of Catholic Scouts are working with the National Catholic Scouting to prevent this change.
    Pray for their success.

  • Whil being “gay” may not be wrong, it is a condition that needs to be addressed. Like anyone else with a strong (or in this case psychatic?) desire to do something wrong needs to be addressed. Would you buy a known alcoholic a drink?

  • If Jerry does not understand the hierarchy being under siege is the same as the church being under siege, he is not too bright or ethical.

  • Having homosexuals teaching under age boys could be sending an immoral message to young boys.

    I have asked this many times, if it is so important to expose young boys to known homosexual why not leave the Boy Scouts alone and form an organization tha will do that?

  • Come on Eugene, why are the homosexuas so insistent about forcing their way into the Boy Scouts instead of forming their own organization that puts underage boys with adult male homosexuals?

  • ‘Deacon” Norcio if you answer this question you would the first:

    why don’t the homosexuals and their advocates leave the Boy Scouts alone and form their own organization that emphasizes leaving adult male homosexuals alone with underage boys?

  • ” . . . how will parents know that homosexuals are not around their children?”
    Those parents might not be as ignorant as you. Homosexuals have been around their children for eons. It’s not catching.

  • But if these changes take will parents be able to tell homosexual adults to stay away from their children?

    Once again, why don’t the homosexuals and advocates quite trying to force their way into the Boy Scouts and form their own organization?

  • Deacon Norcio is wrong. The Catholic Church teaches that homosexual activity is objectively disordered. Men and women are designed by God for sexual union.
    The fact that Norcio is an ordained deacon does not change the fact that he does not know what he is talking about. Go to the Vatican website and see for yourself.

  • In Canada, both the Roman Catholic Church and the LDS Church are active sponsors of scouting. Scouts Canada has permitted gay leaders and scouts since 2000. They also do not interfere with the leadership selection rules of the chartered partners. The Bishops have their laboratory to the north with 12 years of experience to guide them in crafting their actions going forward.

  • The article says that the national organization would leave it to the groups which sponsor individual troops to decide, so how would that dictate an end to Catholic involvement.

  • Why don’t Catholics and Mormons quit trying to force their anti-gay attitudes onto the Boy Scouts and form their own organization?

  • Sorry, Comrade America. Reasoning does not lead to the conclusion that homosexuality behavior is disordered. Only the imitation of reason employed by Catholic and other theologies produces that erroneous conclusion. That’s why billions of people have concluded it is not immoral.

  • Why are you so insistent about forcing your bigoted views onto the Boy Scouts? Can’t you form your own organization? How about the Hate Scouts? You could take groups of unsuspecting kids into your backyard and rant at them about moral decay.

  • Who is Comrade America, Ashley? You seem delusional.

    By the way billions of Christians (not just Catholics) have concluded that homosexual behavior is sinful.

  • The Boy Scouts have had this policy for years: it is not being forced on them: it is part of their core principles.

    Maybe your definition of forced is as perverted as your definition of bigoted.

    Once again why can’t the homosexuals quit trying to force their way into the Boy Scouts and form an organization that encourages homosexual men and under age boys to spend time together?

  • When you say that it is just another lifestyle choice that is no different than any other, then saying that it wouldn’t be catching would be disingenuous. Many male homosexuals have suffered abuse as children at the hands of adults and older males.

  • Chastity and homosexuality

    2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

    2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

    2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

    You were saying Deacon?

  • Deacon, the Church does not teach that people suffering from attraction to the same sex are immoral, but it does teach that homosexual acts are “acts of grave depravity” and “are intrinsically disordered.” Also the Church says that homosexual acts “are contrary to natural law” and that “under no circumstances can they be approved.”
    It says nothing of this sort about heterosexual sex, in fact, quite the opposite. It does call heterosexual acts outside of marriage immoral, but within marriage they are part of God’s plan for man’s sanctification.
    Regardless of the circumstances, homosexual acts are always immoral.

    I suggest you study the doctrine of the Catholic Church and the Catechism is a good place to start.

  • Hello Deacon Norcio,

    The first difficulty is that USCCB documents like “Always Our Children” have no doctrinal authority. The USCCB cannot make or develop doctrine. That doesn’t mean it has *no* value, but it does mean that it is not the first or last word on the subject for the Church.

    The second difficulty is that your citations of Church authority on this are…selective. As the Catechism reaffirms, ““homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law.” That does not negate what you said, that gays are worthy of dignity and respect. But the teaching is here is stronger than you’re suggesting.

  • The CHurch doesn’t prevent gays from worshipping. So it may not have any problem with gay Scouts. It is like Scouting is a sacrement.

  • The Church is only just emerging from the sex scandal. You remember that don’t you? the one which was perpetrated by (84%) homosexual priests who did not belong in the Priesthood to begin with. If the scouts do this, I will shut down scouting in my parish. I am certain I will have lots of company.
    We as Catholics, simply cannot not allow our kids to be subjected to such an immoral, sinful, and hazardous group. Before you cry bigot, go educate yourself and read the John Jay report.
    I wonder if they will have to strike “keep myself morally straight” from the Scouts.

  • You are flaming liberal and you havent the earthliest idea what the Church teaches. I sincerely hope your Bishop censures you from public comments signed with your title. You do not speak for the Church. You are in fact wrong. The church teaches that same sex attraction is disordered. The Church teaches that homosexual acts are immoral and sinful. The church also teaches that we love the sinner and hate the sin. Please refrain from posting such incorrect statements or reveal to us what parish and diocese you are assigned to so we can begin the process of having your heresy addressed by your Bishop.

  • I ask again “deacon”, what diocese and and Parish are you assigned to. I will copy and paste your comments to your Pastor, Bishop, and the Nuncio. If you are correct, I will apologize publicly…but we both know that you are not.

  • Why are you so full of Hate. What has brought you to the place that allows you to insult and persecute people who you do not disagree with? Why must you and your ilk attempt to force your debauchery upon the rest of us? Do we not have the Freedom of religion? Do we not have the freedom of association? Do homosexuals suddenly have the ability to strip us of these God Given rights?

  • Educate yourself Richard. The priest scandal you so gleefully keep alluding to was perpetrated by homosexuals in the priesthood. 84% of all occurrances. This is why they are not allowed in the priesthood, and this is why they are not allowed in the scouts.

  • easy, they are called Jamborees. What are the Catholics supposed to do, bar non catholic groups from the jamborees? not attend? Nope. The church cannot allow scouting if they approve this new policy.

  • David, this blog and this thread are not venues for harassing or intimidating people. Stop now or your comments will be deleted.

    You are free to engage in argumentation but not assaults.

  • I remember about 1954 or so when it was announced in my Catholic grade school that the PTA was now to be called the Home and School Association. They didn’t tell us why. But I read many years later that the PTA had endorsed birth control measures (and probably other things) that were not acceptable to the Church.

  • The Canadian Church just doesn’t have the will or the influence anymore. It is fighting rearguard actions everywhere and will likely lose control of its schools (they receive public funding – so, he who pays the piper calls the tune, and the tune is pro-LGBT instruction to children starting in grade 3 in Ontario schools). One other thing to note: Scouts Canada has been in dramatic decline since the 90s and this policy is speeding its demise. I know a lot of dads who just won’t have their kids in the organization anymore unless they know exactly who is going to be leading the troops — increasingly, there can be no guarantees with regard to overnights at camps, jamborees, etc. Some local parishes have scouts, but they are waning as parents plug their youngsters into CYO and other catholic youth organizations.

  • This comment is incredibly uninformed. The vast majority of sexual predators & pedophiles are heterosexual. Source? The RCMP, the FBI, Interpol, & Scotland Yard (UK). These are the kind of false notions that lead to anti-gay violence, bloodshed, & murders.

  • Additionally, there is the 1996 Vatican document entitled ‘On the Care & Pastoral Treatment of Homosexual Persons’; authored by then Cardinal Ratzinger, (now Pope Benedict XVI.) In it he almost excuses the actions of those who direct violence against homosexual persons involved in behaviors “to which no one has any conceivable right”. The behavior referred to but not acknowledged, is who one falls in love with.

  • How has maybe 2.5% of the population been able to raise this much Hell? Doesn’t anybody get tired of the gay tail wagging the straight dog?

  • I am a Catholic woman and the mother of two Eagle Scouts.
    I was once a Girl Scout and I need only look their decline to see where this will go.
    Young heterosexual males need a place to feel safe and secure growing up and learning how to be confident in THEIR roles as future husbands and fathers with others who also share their values and goals. The majority of young males are heterosexual and they need to be supported in an atmosphere that is geared toward them and in their achieving the best outcome. They are unique and different from homosexuals and in my experience, the Boy Scouts was perhaps the only organization remaining that was geared to the raising a healthy well rounded heterosexual male in body , mind and spirit

  • I odn;t see why this needs to be the end of Catholic scouting. It is true if an agenda takes over at the National Level there will be some qualms about National Dues going for things that are contrary to the Faith. Actually what they said was that they would leave the question to the local sponsoring organization – this tells me that Catholic sponsored troops would be able to set their own policy. Personally i believe that the guidelines have to be set by Catholic Scouting committees. I see no reason that a young boy with homosexual inclinations should be excluded from Scouts. They need the solid Catholic Scouting Formation and the other Scouts will learn how to navigate those situations in an environment ADHERING to Catholic Teaching as opposed ot what they would hear for example, ata public school. Catholic Scouting is a great formation tool, why would we exclude young men from it if they wished to join?

    I would be more careful with leaders guaranteeing that all leaders have to follow the Church’s teachings. If a leader had homosexual inclinations but was living and believed in Catholic teachings he could be a great asset – if he was promoting gay agendas, even outside of scout activities, then he would not be fit for leadership. In my troop the Scoutmaster made it clear that adults were to act as adults the Scout trips were not vacations for the adults – no drinking, foul language etc .. Focus on Scouting was his command and that included Sunday Mass. Any behavior not conforming to Scout activities and values results in not being a leader.

  • Although I am against the BSA changing it’s policy, I don’t see how it would result in “so long Catholic Boy Scouts”. Catholic churches have chartered Girl Scout troops for years and continue to do so, even though Girl Scouts teach girls that abortion is OK. All you need do is read the Girl Scout Manual for Senior Girls Scouts to see “terminating a pregnancy” as an option. Girls Scouts also partner with Planned Parenthood and their agenda. (look it up) So, why hasn’t the Catholic church dissolved relationships with Girl Scouts? I hope the BSA stands firm. Incidentally, I understand that there are just 2 BSA board members (corporate CEO’s) who are pushing for this change to model their corporate ideas of “diversity and inclusion”. If homosexuals would keep their personal lives private and stop trying to force the rest of us to say “oh yes, your behavior is fine”, (guilt!) and stop defining themselves by how they use their sexual organs, we wouldn’t even have this problem.

  • Actually there is already an organization established by homosexuals to enable homosexual men and under age boys to spend time together. It is called NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association. You can see them in the “GAY PRIDE” Parades across the country. Their motto is “Sex after eight, it’s too late.”

  • You are the uninformed one, bud… If you look at the John Jay report, the vast majority of abuse cases by priests were done on boys older than 12. That is not pedophilia. It’s the reality of men going after young flesh, which they desire whether they are straight or gay. The priests were indeed homosexuals and they preyed on the young. There is a huge problem with homosexuals in the priesthood and we have seen the disaster it causes.

  • The difference between girl scouts and their political agenda and the boy scouts with their gay agenda is that the gay leaders pose a possible physical threat to the boys who are on outings and sleepovers. Just as we wouldn’t let straight men be girl scout leaders and share tents and showers with our daughters, it’s not prudent to let gay men have that kind of access to our sons. It’s true that the majority of straight fathers would not molest daughters, but really, who believes that model would get the same pass that the gays now want as leaders to the boy scouts?

  • To the contrary Deacon Norcio, the church has ALWAYS taught the following about homosexual acts:
    “Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.” Catholic Catechism #2357

    Yes, all are children of God and loved by God but some choose by their actions to go to hell. God loves all He creates and never stops loving his creation. That means He still loves the fallen angels but they are still in hell as many a human soul (according to Theresa of Avila, Padre Pio and other saints) due to their obstinacy in committing sinful acts. The issue is not does God love us but do we love God and prove it by our actions. Jesus showed us the way with obedience unto death. Many of us choose death because we choose not to be obedient with the precious gift of our sexuality. You are in error deacon, a sexual relationship between homosexual people is immoral and always has been.

  • Commentors: Speculate all you want with statistics and case studies. Reality: Regardless of all the commentors’ arguments for or against homosexuality, we are leaving if the ban is lifted next week. And by “we” I mean a great majority of Catholics are willing to leave BSA and start a protected group that is not so easily swayed by the secular world. As a BSA Merit Badge Counselor with an 11-year-old boyscout, I represent the views of many in my parish BSA troop. Even if our chartered parish can maintain its own youth protection, what good does that do at council events and summer camps with other units and camp staff?

    Those who are commenting on others’ posts should read Matthew 7:1-2 and 7:6 and Luke 9:5.

    Side note: if male and female did not bond, then there would be no furthering of the species. Science trumps philosophy. Matthew 7:13-14. Everything else is a matter of choice and all choices have consequences …eventually.

  • As a straight, male, Eagle Scout, I am thoroughly disgusted with your closed-minded point of view. First off, who are you to speak for the “church”, who according to these comments, has very contrasting opinions on what is considered immoral. It seems as though you are so blinded by false doctrine, you are taught to believe that forcing your ignorance upon others, weak enough to believe you, is a proper way of sharing and communicating ideas. You are actually hindering your youth more substantially than you think. Preaching closed-minded ideals just labels you as immature.
    Spreading hate is something that I never learned throughout my years as a scout, and I would hope others agree that it is not a virtue (or vice, rather) that should be encouraged by any authority figure to any young, easily influenced and malleable mind. With these words you are angrily pounding into your web browser you are inadvertently exposing yourself as a hateful human being and should not be around scouts, either, David.
    The BSA has provided a service that has been influential to many throughout its years, and I personally feel that a troop should have the right to choose the most qualified leaders. Their sexual orientation has nothing to do with those qualifications. Accusing every homosexual male as someone willing to make persistent efforts to have sex with young boys is idiotic and actually somewhat funny. (Does that mean if you are an older straight male, you would have sex with underage girls if you got the chance? Because, truly, the only difference between the two is sexual orientation… and your closed-mindedness)

    Also, morally straight has nothing to do with sexual orientation, it is referring to the opposition of immorality. Though morals are subjective, I have a hard time believing that love can be immoral. And, just because you believe something that you read somewhere, it doesn’t exactly mean that it is true.

  • Wow: are you Catholic? Do you know what the Catechism says about homosexuality?
    As far as hate why do so many homosexuals and their advocates think that anyone who disagrees agrees with them hates them? Since many homosexuals do not agree with the church does that make them haters in line with the KKK, NaZI, commmunists and others?
    Wow you seem to be the ignorant anti Catholic bigot.

  • Have you actually asked the Church for its statement? It seems you are making some assumptions without actually doing the research. Why single-out the Catholics?

  • They’re not. And as a Scout Leader, let me just gently break this to you: there already are gay scouts and gay leaders…. and … brace yourself … it isn’t contagious.

    We have had a gay leader in our troop for the past 5 years (although he hasn’t ever come out and said so, the kids know it, the adults know it, the committee knows it, and the charter partner knows it). And if I had to pick one leader to take my kid and his patrol on a trip, I’d choose him first, second, third, and then fourth.

  • This just in: dishonorable Scout Leaders?
    Boy Scouts May Have Misrepresented Catholic Position on Gay Leaders Mon, Feb. 18 2013 06:25 PM EDT
    By Napp Nazworth
    Boy Scout leaders reportedly told both Latter-day Saint and Southern Baptist leaders that it had the support of the Catholic Church regarding its proposed policy change on gay members and leaders despite the fact that Catholic officials were still discussing the issue at the time, sources familiar with the conversations informed The Christian Post. However, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops took that a step farther and told CP that it has offered no such support.

  • I am Catholic and a scout leader.

    I have not seen any formal position posted by the Church on your opinion.

  • My Catholic Church teaches that any sexual relationship outside of marriage, as marriage has always been defined, is immoral.

  • If a man attempted to ingest food through his ears that would be disordered, even if the poor soul, did nothing sinful. I would say that society should not encourage the practice, however, upsetting to all who wish to hear their food ingested.

  • The victims of Priest abusers were for the most part adolescents, not prebubescent boys. This was not true paedophilia. It was really a species of homosexual, which is not to diminish the sin or crime. One of the principal offenders in Boston was involved with NAMBLA.

  • I fail to see how your quotes from the Catholic Catechism refute what Deacon Norcio was saying. To the contrary, the catechism, more specifically 2358, supports his stance. It tells catholics that, with regard to Homosexuals: “They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”

  • Within 5 years, the Canadian Boys Scouts lost nearly 2/3 of their membership after the change.

  • The problem is a legal one. By abandoning their national position and leaving it to the local charter organizations, this is no longer an enduring value and the Supreme Court decision supporting BSA maintaining standards is no longer valid. The local organizations would not have any legal defense against admitting someone that conflicts with their organizations morality. Therefore, the Catholic Church (or any charter organization) could be sued for not admitting someone.

  • It’s 18 that the child becomes a sexual being not 12 or13 or14 , when will catholic’s except the guilt of there own mother Church with regard to sex abuse , it really doses not wash trying to blame it on homos .

  • Well, the nightmare spreads even into the Boy Scouts… Time for Catholics to start their own scout program… Maybe call it the Ranger Scouts….

  • From a former eagle scout. It is time for all Christian families to make a run for it from this now, evil youth organization. To keep your boys in such an organization can only lead to their moral degradation and rebellion against God; and it is rebellion against God and His Word that leads to hell. Homosexuallity, like all sin is an abomination unto God and leads to hell if not repented of.

    It needs to be pointed out that temptation is not a sin. If there are young people who are tempted by any sin, including that spoken of here, they are not guilty of that sin if they fight against it — meaning THEY ARE NOT HOMOSEXUAL. However, for adult BSA leaders to actively tell children that this lifestyle choice is acceptable is reprehensible in the light of the death of Christ on the Cross for poor sinners tempted or subjected to these sins. If we ACTIVELY pursue Jesus and His way (e.g., faith, repentance, Church, sacraments, prayer, etc.), He will give us the grace to overcome all sins that chain mankind and, otherwise, lead to hell. While God loves all sinners, He never compromises with sin; except to provide an atoning sacrifice for sin repented of through the death of His divine Son Jesus and provide a Catholic Christian Church to continually overcome that sin through its divine sacramental system.

    This immoral decision by the BSA, promoting the perverse adult pro-homosexual agenda among susceptible and immature youth will only lead to the destruction of the fledgling morals of ALL boys involved in this now morally bankrupt youth organization. My advice for all boys in this organization is to leave your troops immediately so you do not endanger your souls and to maintain your morally upright characters.

  • It’s the OPENLY gay part that seems to be the problem. Boy Scouts aren’t supposed to be concentrating on sexual activity at all. How will these people show they are openly gay if the kids are supposed to be concentrating on kid stuff? People send their kids to Scouts to keep them “morally straight”, which I always took to mean no sex outside of marriage no matter who you are. Parents want their kids kindling a different kind of fire in Scouts. It’s supposed to be fun, outdoorsy stuff, away from the nastiness which with the kids are bombarded everywhere else.

  • I wouldn’t say that the Church is trying to control our sexuality. It is merely trying to get us to control it.

  • It was not that priests were perverts, it was that perverts were allowed to become priests. They always try to get a job that puts them near kids.

  • For anyone who is searching for a good Catholic alternative to Boy Scouts, I would suggest looking into Blue Knights Boys Club. It teaches the faith in a fun and exciting way and has the added benefit of allowing you to run your group indepent of any large national organization that will potentially try to impose its idealogy on you and your children. You can find more information about Blue Knights by going to