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Thou shalt not speak alternative facts: religion and lying

Clockwise from top left: former national security adviser Michael Flynn, President Trump, press secretary Sean Spicer and counselor Kellyanne Conway. Photos courtesy of Reuters

(RNS) Falsehood. Misstatement. Alternative fact.

All of these are synonyms — euphemisms, for some — for another word: lie.

These words have been cast around as questions arise about statements President Trump and his administration have made on Russia, his family’s business activities and crowd numbers attending his inauguration and subsequent protests.

What do the Abrahamic religious traditions say? Is lying always wrong, or is it sometimes acceptable to knowingly tell a lie? What are the moral and spiritual consequences of telling a lie? And what is the moral and spiritual fallout of knowingly allowing someone else’s lie to go unchallenged?

We put those questions to representatives of four Abrahamic traditions.

Judaism

On Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, when Jews repent before God for the sins they have committed in the previous year, inappropriate or untrue speech is considered one of the most serious transgressions.

Rabbi Fred Scherlinder Dobb, leader of Adat Shalom, a Reconstructionist synagogue in Bethesda, Md., thinks this is proper for the day Jews consider the holiest of the year.

Rabbi Fred Scherlinder Dobb in August 2015. RNS photo by Kimberly Winston

Rabbi Fred Scherlinder Dobb in August 2015. RNS photo by Kimberly Winston

“Words matter profoundly in a tradition that says God created the entire world through speech,” he said. “We are told in Genesis Chapter 1 that we who are created in the divine image should strive to be divine in our use of speech. That means every word we utter should reflect our values, and one of the highest of those values is truth.”

The Talmudic tradition — the 600 years of rabbinic teaching Jews hold as a central teaching — devotes much discussion to the consequences of “inappropriate speech,” which includes lying. The Talmud, Dobb said, teaches that inappropriate speech “kills” three people — the speaker, the victim of the speech and the person who hears it.

“‘Kills’ is the actual verb,'” he said. “The potency of such speech is almost mystical because of the potential implications of such speech. If I overhear the president of the United States say a U.S. judge of Mexican ancestry is unfit for the bench and then I say or do something to heed that nativist, anti-Mexican sentiment, it can have life or death implications for myself and others.

“These sins,” he continued, “are not easily wiped away on Yom Kippur.”

But Judaism permits the telling of some lies — those that preserve peace or avoid evil. It is an exception shared by all three Abrahamic faiths: Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

“Peace is such a great principle that even God lies to uphold it,” Dobb said, citing the Genesis story of God telling the elderly Sarah that she will give birth to Isaac. Sarah laughs and basically asks, “How will my husband, Abraham, manage that when he is so old?” When God tells Abraham of Isaac’s birth, he lies about Sarah’s reaction, leaving out the laughing part.

“This shows that truth is vital, but not always the sole consideration,” Dobb said. “That said, there is no justification whatsoever in Jewish tradition for lies which are either sloppy, systemic or self-serving.”

Because of that, Adat Shalom, which has just under 500 member families, has begun to include a recitation of Psalm 85, verse 11 in every Saturday morning Shabbat, or Sabbath, service.

“It is not part of the core liturgy, but it is a choice we are making as a way of reminding ourselves and anyone we reach at a given worship of what we must uphold even when the most powerful people around us are not,” Dobbs said. “We use the power of music to amplify the power of scripture over the power of the executive.”

Then he recited the verse:

“Kindness and truth have met; righteousness and peace have kissed.”

Catholicism

“The essence of the Ten Commandments is pretty basic: ‘Don’t tell any lies,'” said David Cloutier, an associate professor of theology at the Catholic University of America.

Perhaps because of that clarity, great church thinkers such as St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas — separated by eight centuries — came to the same conclusion: It is a sin to tell any lie.

David Cloutier, Associate Professor of Theology at The Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Photo courtesy of David Cloutier

David Cloutier, associate professor of theology at the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Photo courtesy of David Cloutier

Through the centuries, other Catholic theologians have added nuances, all of which are now reflected in the Catholic Church’s catechism — a summation of all things that Catholics believe.

“Lying consists in saying what is false with the intention of deceiving one’s neighbor,” the catechism states. And “an offense against the truth requires reparation.”

“The work is in understanding what a lie is,” Cloutier said. “A lie has to include an intention to deceive people and told to someone who has a right to know the truth.”

So a joke is not a lie, nor is making a false statement that you believe to be true. And a lie told to prevent evil is not a sin. So if the Gestapo asked if Anne Frank was hiding in the attic, it would have been OK to avoid telling the truth and say, “No.”

But Catholics are “called,” Cloutier said, to continually seek the truth, even in the face of lies from people in power.

“Catholics should not accept lies for the sake of some further end, even if that end is highly desirable,” he said. “The tradition has long taught that one may not choose an evil as a means to achieving a good, and so the duty to seek the truth can never be abandoned.”

And when a lie is spoken with the intention to deceive, the catechism teaches the consequences are personal, social and spiritual.

“They harm a person’s relationship to God, because God ‘is the truth and wills the truth,'” Cloutier said. “The catechism quotes Aquinas, who says that people ‘could not live with one another if there were not mutual confidence that they were being truthful to one another.’ Lying fundamentally disrupts our relationships to one another in a society. Society would crash if we lost confidence in truth-telling.”

Islam

The Quran is clear on the rewards of truth:

“Surely the Muslim men and the Muslim women, the believing men and the believing women, the devout men and the devout women, the truthful men and the truthful women … for all those, God has prepared forgiveness and a great reward.” (al-Ahzab:  33:35) 

And the hadith — the sayings of Prophet Muhammad — lay out the consequences of lying:

“Beware of lying! Verily, lying leads to wickedness and wickedness leads to the Fire. One does not cease lying and supporting lies until he is written with God as a liar.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari: Book 73, Hadith 116)

Those are the two passages that come immediately to Engy Abdelkader, an adjunct professor at Georgetown University who studies Islamophobia, when asked about Islam’s teaching on the spiritual consequences of bearing falsehoods.

Engy Abdelkader at the Newseum

Engy Abdelkader at the Newseum. Photo courtesy of Engy Abdelkader

“Similar to Christians and Jews, Muslims believe there will be a day of judgment when there will be a full accounting of one’s deeds,” she said. “Even if these deeds are hidden from public view, Muslims will be asked about them at their day of accounting, and ultimately God will decide whether the individual will be a resident of heaven or hell.”

There are more immediate consequences to lying, Abdelkader said. A lie places distance between the teller and God, disrupting the peace and the blessings promised by knowing God. But ask God for forgiveness — directly, as Islam has no intermediaries — and the relationship will be restored.

There are exceptions to the no-lying rule. As in the other Abrahamic faiths, a lie that prevents great evil is not a lie. And Islamic scholars of all ages and all kinds have dedicated a lot of discussion to the concept of “taqiyya” — lying about one’s religious beliefs, or omitting to mention them. Mainstream Islamic scholars say taqiyya is not blanket permission to lie; it is permitted only in the face of great evil, such as to save a life.

Nor is it permissible under the Quran, Abdelkader said, to answer one lie with another. Instead, she said, Muslims must respond to evil with good and “rise above, morally and ethically.”

“The best response to the ‘alternative facts’ we have been confronted with, like the falsehoods informing the executive order (for a travel ban) that is really a Muslim ban, is to challenge it with research-based evidence,” she said. “There is widespread belief, not just among Muslims, that this measure is not based on any empirical data.

“In terms of American Muslims, we need to continually highlight the community’s positive contributions since the founding of this country while challenging so many of these pernicious myths around this community with research and empirical data.”

Protestantism

For the Rev. Paul Raushenbush, the equation is simple: To lie is to sin.

“The Lord detests lying lips but he delights in people who are trustworthy,” said Raushenbush, an American Baptist minister and senior vice president for public engagement at New York City’s Auburn Seminary, quoting Proverbs. “Sin is when we are missing that mark, either willfully or because we are unaware of it.”

A “clear line is being drawn,” Raushenbush continued, between what is fact-based and what is not, and Christians align themselves with the facts — or risk compromising the Christian message.

Rev. Paul Brandeis Raushenbush.

The Rev. Paul Brandeis Raushenbush. Photo courtesy of Paul Raushenbush

 Raushenbush points to the experience of 19th-century Baptist theologian Walter Rauschenbusch, his great-grandfather. Rauschenbusch worked among the poor of New York City and noted how many died of the effects of poverty — malnutrition, disease, overwork, etc. The experience helped him advance what Christians call the “social gospel” — the idea that Jesus called them to battle poverty, not just try to win souls or gain heaven.

“Those facts (about the number of dead among the poor) helped him understand what God required of him at that time,” Raushenbush said.

So to lie, or to knowingly let a lie stand as truth, is to place in jeopardy one’s relationship with God.

“I know this is getting subtle, but if Trump lies about facts, then whatever he says is the truth is not the truth,” he said. “If we believe that this world is imbued with God’s reality, then to lie about reality is a deep affront to what is sacred and what is God.”

Because of that, Raushenbush said, people of all faiths must examine and adhere to facts and truth.

“You have to name things what they are because that is what witnessing is,” he said. “That is what it means to be a prophetic witness in the world — to name what is true.”

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Kimberly Winston

Kimberly Winston is a freelance religion reporter based in the San Francisco Bay Area.

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  • When religion speaks a whopper, that’s proclaiming the truth in love, acting on sincere religious beliefs, trying to save people form hell, or valuing morality above politics…
    or something.

  • Before lecturing others about what is a lie…each of the above religions should come to terms about the truth of their own teaching, their claims, their morality and the dogma in their respective holy books. After that…then talk to us about lying with some humility!

  • ” When God tells Abraham of Isaac’s birth, he lies about Sarah’s reaction, leaving out the laughing part.” Numbers 23:19 – English Standard Version

    God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?”

    Genesis 18New Living Translation (NLT)

    A Son Is Promised to Sarah

    18 The Lord appeared again to Abraham near the oak grove belonging to Mamre. One day Abraham was sitting at the entrance to his tent during the hottest part of the day. 2 He looked up and noticed three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran to meet them and welcomed them, bowing low to the ground.

    3 “My lord,” he said, “if it pleases you, stop here for a while. 4 Rest in the shade of this tree while water is brought to wash your feet. 5 And since you’ve honored your servant with this visit, let me prepare some food to refresh you before you continue on your journey.”

    “All right,” they said. “Do as you have said.”

    6 So Abraham ran back to the tent and said to Sarah, “Hurry! Get three large measures[a] of your best flour, knead it into dough, and bake some bread.” 7 Then Abraham ran out to the herd and chose a tender calf and gave it to his servant, who quickly prepared it. 8 When the food was ready, Abraham took some yogurt and milk and the roasted meat, and he served it to the men. As they ate, Abraham waited on them in the shade of the trees.

    9 “Where is Sarah, your wife?” the visitors asked.

    “She’s inside the tent,” Abraham replied.

    10 Then one of them said, “I will return to you about this time next year, and your wife, Sarah, will have a son!”

    Sarah was listening to this conversation from the tent. 11 Abraham and Sarah were both very old by this time, and Sarah was long past the age of having children. 12 So she laughed silently to herself and said, “How could a worn-out woman like me enjoy such pleasure, especially when my master—my husband—is also so old?”

    13 Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh? Why did she say, ‘Can an old woman like me have a baby?’ 14 Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return about this time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”

    15 Sarah was afraid, so she denied it, saying, “I didn’t laugh.”

    But the Lord said, “No, you did laugh.”
    Where did He lie?
    Read Genesis 21 for Isaac’s birth.

  • “Nor is it (lying) permissible under the Quran, Abdelkader said, to answer one lie with another. Instead, she said, Muslims must respond to evil with good and “rise above, morally and ethically.”Quran

    Quran (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.
    Quran (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves” against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..

    Quran (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway. (The next verse refers only to those who have a personal agreement with Muhammad as individuals – see Ibn Kathir (vol 4, p 49)

    Quran (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who had to “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.

    Quran (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts” The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

    Quran (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means ‘deceit’. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

    Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.

  • An important reminder in this dangerous time of “alternative facts” and wild misstatements from those of power and influence. The “truth” of too many of them is based on whatever is expedient,whatever it needs to be at a particular moment. And if something different is needed the next moment, why, that is fine, just change the “truth.”

    Don’t get caught up in trying to prove or disprove one particular religion’s idea of “truth.” By any one of the three mentioned faith traditions, our president lies and so do his spokespersons. They lie to each other and they lie to the public. Repeatedly, unashamedly.

  • Speaking of crazed dishonest sacks of monkey effluvia, did anyone catch our presidents meltdown at the press conference today?

    I really feel bad for Trump supporters right now. Just to keep a brave face on the incoherent gibbon they elected. It’s got to be embarrassing to keep up the appearances of sanity right now.

  • I think what the Qu’ran and the Hadiths says is best addressed by educated or practicing Muslims. Not only did Spuddie nail the site but given the possibility that you simply did not cross check referenced material and would not wilfully promote wrong information, I suggest that in future you might simply consider the extent you would support the idea that anyone of a different faith could interpret Christian Scripture properly for the general public – particularly if they cherry-pick verses for a proof text approach. If you wouldn’t want a non-Christian doing that, then extend that courtesy to other faiths and let actual faith representatives tell you and others what they believe.

  • Abraham lied on two occasions when identifying Sarah as his sister, rather than his wife. Rahab and the Israeli spies is another example of lying being OK.

  • doesn’t mean it is ok. That’s silliness. Are you suggesting since Moses murdered a man that murder is ok? (edit)
    Also, Abraham is not God.

  • Not my responsibility – it is the person asserting that. You must have missed one of the points in the article when Rev. Raushenbush is quoted as saying “So to lie, or to knowingly let a lie stand as truth, is to place in jeopardy one’s relationship with God.”

  • You cannot refute it then. That’s what I take from that comment. Then, the comments stand.
    What has your quote to do with my comment?

  • The truth of the matter is this: Each religion can claim it denounces lying. But they also have little caveats, such as the assertion that lying to avert great evil is acceptable. These should be considered “wide open doors” to pretty much any and all forms of deception … because whatever lie one tells can probably (at least subjectively) be defined as preventing some great evil.

    In the political realm this is compounded by the fact that pretty much anyone in any office is going to tell a lie at some point. The lies of one’s opposition then become a “permission slip” to lie freely, oneself. Witness, for example, all the Apricot Wonder’s fanbois who say his lies are just fine, because (for example) Obama had said of the ACA that “if you like your plan you can keep it,” even though this turned out to be untrue. That, however — as any grown adult knows — is “two wrongs make a right” thinking, and is fallacious.

    In any event, call me unimpressed with religions’ putative condemnations of lying. They haven’t had sufficient power to get their followers to stop lying. Which means those condemnations are, by themselves, useless. What would be better is if liars’ co-religionists were willing to take on them on, confront them about their lies, discipline them for it, and force them (if needed) to stop lying. But … good luck with that! Believers generally don’t have anywhere near enough courage to do any such thing. If they’re even willing to acknowledge the liars’ lies, they usually just say something like, “Well, our religion doesn’t approve of that,” and walk away as though nothing is wrong.

  • That was one of the most bizarre performances yet. His levels of incoherence continue to rise. He truly needs to be institutionalized for a time, receive intense therapy, perhaps medications, and learn how to live in reality. It’s nearly disorienting to have an insane president. It’s good to have many sources of information so that reality is preserved.

  • “inappropriate speech ‘kills’ three people — the speaker, the victim of the speech and the person who hears it.”

    This is most definitely true, though perhaps not literal at the time of the lying. The lies of the current administration are having a strong negative impact on the US domestically and internationally. That needs to change rapidly. Even Pence would be better (I think), than the insane man presently there. At least Pence is sane. (I think.)

    The Republican dominated Congress needs to honor the oath they swore to and remove the incompetent, incoherent person via impeachment, thus saving the USA as a great nation rather than a Putin Puppet. They should begin with a thorough investigation into his Russian ties. Congress can order the IRS to release the president’s tax returns which will reveal any economic relationship with Russia.

  • The worst thing is the spin by far right news sources to polish this radioactive dookie of a performance. I am beginning to suspect any sincere supporters of Trump are brain damaged. It’s as if it’s become trolling. Taking positions less for rational support or sense and more to annoy opponents.

  • I get stressed out on the rare occasions that I’m the sanest person in the room. Now it’s increasingly likely that I’m saner than the President of the United States! There’s not enough Wellbutrin on Earth for that.

  • Because you are knowingly letting information from an anti-muslim website stand as truth to rationalize your attitude towards Muslims. The quote means that you are not acting like a Christian in posting such information. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt as to inadvertently being obtuse.

  • why is it anti-Muslim? Because you don’t like what it says? Al Quaida, Boko Haram, Hamas, ISIS, the Taliban and how many others seem to agree with him.

  • Well, as regards “coming to terms” with the truth or falsity of biblical Christianity … you go ahead and bring it on anytime anyplace any planet !!!

  • I read one of the online transcripts, Spuddie. It was good to see the biased libbie elitist Beltway media **finally** receive a well-deserved, old-fashioned American smackdown.

    Trump simply brought them down a couple pegs, that’s all. Even appeared to have himself a tiny bit of fun in tbe process. Long overdue.

  • Did you watch it? Seriously, you have to be brain damaged to be able to spin that into anything which reflects positively on Trump. The written word does not do it justice. It was a 77 minute brain f@rt.

    This is not partisan skewing here. I sincerely doubt Mike Pence would ever hold a press conference so aimless and deranged. Pence may be scum but knows what he is doing as a politician.

    Trumps attitude towards the media is childish. He doesn’t like the constant vetting of his compulsive untruth or how truly out of his depth he appears in public. Its not the media making Trump look foolish. It’s Trump.

  • Didn’t bother watching it. Transcripts can be analyzed, saved, and quoted for later comments or posts, so I always go that way. Like today.

    To borrow your phrase, it’s all “partisan skewing”, by the way. No need for either you or I to pretend any objectivity on these debates.

    The libbies are angry, hating, and at war with Trump far more than they ever were with GWB. They counted Trump out while laughing at him, only to watch Trump beat THEM instead.

    In fact, I trust YOU a good 50 times more than the biased hubris Left-Wing WH press corps, and I don’t even know you. But even so, all those media zombies needed a flat-out WHIPPEN, and Trump did it just right.

  • Seriously the amount of denial and trolling you are exhibiting is staggering.

    Would Mitt Romney ever make such a deranged press conference or moan so much about the press making him look bad?

    What about GW Bush? Liberals hated him. The press hated him But did he ever melt down in public like that? Hell no. He is a grand statesman compared to the unqualified cretins who succeeded him. I am still unashamed of my support of the guy as president.

    No politician with an ounce of competence and self respect would have done what Trump did.

    The “liberal media” has nothing to be blamed for here. Even at least two foreign press agencies of reliable objectivity I found (BBC and NHK) were saying “WTF was that?” Trump doesn’t understand what it means to really be in the public eye. He can’t treat the presidency like a reality show.

    You didn’t bother watching the conference, so you are talking from a perspective of ignorance of the situation. Trump is not going to survive a full term if he continues to break down like this. We are looking at president Pence in the near future.

  • Romney and Bush (and McCain too!) always do the play-it-safe “Washington decorum” thing, even when it was/is clear that the media was deliberately shaping American public opinion against them.

    Trump needed to stop acting like the usual GOP starch-shirt losers, and instead go back to Beast Mode On Steroids, where he belongs.
    That’s what America elected him anyway. Refreshing to see him be himself.

  • Romney, McCain and Bush had experience being elected to public position. Even at their worst, there was a baseline of competence and understanding of the situation and the job that Trump sorely lacks.

    What Trump needs to do is put his ego aside and listen to his own advisors. But that won’t happen anytime soon. So we are going to have more impulsive incompetent nonsense coming out of the WH.

    If people elected him for his amateurish behavior and raving incompetence, they get when they deserve when things start going badly because of it. I understand the need to keep a brave face here, but sooner or later you will have to admit to yourself that pile of donkey turds doesn’t smell like roses.

  • Because it does not represent the beliefs of most Muslims. Is Christianity exemplified by the Westboro Baptist Church, Pastor Kevin Swanson, Steve Anderson, Bill Whatcott or their ilk? Would most Christians endorse corporal punishment of wives as being Christian (a few do) ? Or beating children (a few do)? Most Christians would say no. So perhaps those distortions of belief are similar to Isis and extremists within the Muslim community – already criticized by the broader Muslim community as not adhering to the tenets of the Muslim faith?

  • Good thing beliefs aren’t facts or represent truth – the unfortunate thing is too many people confuse them.

  • There’s only one thing our “Public Servants” in DC understand.
    Power.
    The republican’s recognize that Trump is psychotic – but they say he is their psycho.
    Only when he becomes a liability to their control of congress will anything be done.

    The only way that will happen is to continue and amplify the protests and demonstrations – esp the town-hall disruptions in ea rep district. As the weather gets warmer the protests must increasingly amp-up-it’s-volume, frequency and geographic locations.

    The dems are impotent – they have no chance to have any effect on the WH till they control at least one house of congress – that will only happen with the 1 by 1 defeat of sitting reps in 2018.

    There is ” A Day Without Women ” scheduled for Mar 8.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politics/womens-march-general-strike-date-set/

    ” March For Science ” on Apr 22, Earth Day, with emphasis on the environment, climate change and ” facts ” not ” alternative facts ”
    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/april-22-empiricists-around-country-will-march-science

  • Sandi Luckins – ever the fraud – ever on the PR payroll….

    Christ has succeeded indeed in his genocide….

    According to UNICEF – About 29,000 children under the age of five – 21 every minute – die every day.

    Why does your Christ kill small, young innocent children – 21 every minute ?

    During the Black Plague in the Middle Age. some 75,000,000 to 200,000.000 infants – toddlers – teenagers – adult men, women, pregnant women, deacons, nuns, priests, hierarchy, as well as Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus as well as all other Religions were killed. That’s 75 million to 200 million humans your Christ killed.

    The Spanish Flu of 1918 your Christ killed from 50 million to 100 million of the above.

    According to HHS, in 2012 some 21,000,000 fetuses worldwide suffered
    miscarriage and died.

    That’s 21 million fetuses your Christ killed.

    Why did your ” Christ ” kill those from different religions – because
    they were Heretics and deserved to die ?

    Why does your Christ so torture and prolong the death of so many who are suffering so horribly – especially the children….

    Because He isn’t the warm and loving Christ you believe Him to be ?

    Birds-of-a-feather….

  • Harry Potter is much more interesting and far-less incredulous.

    You words are reminiscent of those spoken by the Christians who burned-down the Library of Alexandria –

    ” If it’s in the Bible, we already have it.
    If it’s not in the Bible – we don’t need it. “

  • “I AM NOT SHOUTING MY USE OF CAPITAL FONTS IT IS SIMPLY MUCH EASIER WAY FOR ME TO KEY IT INTO MY COMPUTER LIKE THIS SO PLEASE DO NOT BE OFFENDED!”

    I WOULD REALLY LIKE AN EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT TO PLEASE RATIONALSE WHY THIS PINK HAIRED LADY CONTINUES TO LIE SOME OF THEM THE MOST OUTRAGEUOS RELIGIOUS NONSENSE THAT I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE TO LISTEN TO?

    HEVEN ACCORDING TO KAT KERR BELOW

    WHAT BAFFLES ME EVEN MORE IS JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE HER?!

    ALMIGHTY GOD ACCORDING TO KAT KERR

    ACCORDING TO EVER- TRUTHFUL KAT KERR ALMIGHTY GOD IS A HUGE CAUCASIAN MAN , WITH LONG FLOWING WHITE HAIR AND A VERY NEATLY TRIMMED BEARD AND NEATLY TRIMMED MOUSTACHE

    AND TO TOP IF ALL, ALMIGHTY GOD JUST LOVES CANDY AND SWEETS AND AN OCCASIONAL TUB OF ICE CREAM, WHICH SHE HAS OFTEN SHARED WITH HIM AS SHE SAT ON HIS HUGE LAP LOOKING INTO HIS PRETTY BLUE EYES

    KAT TELLS US THAT THERE IS A COLOSSAL DISNEY LAND WITH MICKEY MOUSE DONALD DUCK AND THE REST OF THE CHARACTERS UP THERE AS WELL EXCEPT THAT THEY ARE ALIVE KAT TELLS US THAT THERE IS A COLOSSAL DISNEY LAND WITH MICKEY MOUSE DONALD DUCK AND THE REST OF THE CHARACTERS UP THERE AS WELL EXCEPT THAT THEY ARE ALIVE ACCORDING TO KAT

    KAT TELLS US THAT THERE IS A COLOSSAL DISNEY LAND WITH MICKEY MOUSE DONALD DUCK AND THE REST OF THE CHARACTERS UP THERE AS WELL EXCEPT THAT THEY ARE ALIVE KAT TELLS US THAT THERE IS A COLOSSAL DISNEY LAND WITH MICKEY MOUSE DONALD DUCK AND THE REST OF THE CHARACTERS UP THERE AS WELL EXCEPT THAT THEY ARE ALIVE

    ACCORDING TO KAT KERR ALMIGHTY GOD IS A HUGE CAUCASIAN MAN , WITH LONG FLOWING WHITE HAIR AND A VERY NEATLY TRIMMED MUSTANG ACCORDING TO KAT ALMIGHTY GOD IS A HUGE CAUCASIAN MAN , WITH LONG FLOWING WHITE HAIR AND A VERY NEATLY TRIMMED MOUSTACHE

    AND TO TOP IF ALL ALMIGHTY GOD JUST LOVES CANDY AND SWEETS AND AN OCCASIONAL TUB OF ICE CREAM, WHICH SHE HAS OFTEN SHARED WITH HIM AS SHE SAT ON HIS HUGE LAP LOOKING INTO HIS PRETTY BLUE EYES

    BELOW IS JUST A SMALL SUMMARY AND THE VERY TIP OF A WORLD SIZE ICEBERG OR COSMIC SIZE LANDFILL OF LIES AND NEVER-ENDING, EVER- INCREASING DELIBERATE LYING GARBAGE.

    LUCKILY FOR KAT KERR INSANITY IS NOT A CRIME IN AMERICA, ALTHOUGH LYING MIGHT BE IN A COURT OF LAW

    KAT SAYS THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A COOL GUY WHO TOLD HER SHE CAN CALL “HIM CUPID” AND TO DYE HER HAIR PINK

    WHICH BY THE WAY IS THE NAME OF THE ANCIENT ROMAN GOD OF SEXUAL LUST.

    KAT KERR IS BY FAR PROVING HERSELF TO BE THE WORST LIAR IN ALL OF CHRISTIAN CHURCH HISTORY AND SHE MIGHT STILL PROVE HERSELF TO BE THE WORST LIAR IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD?

    JESUS ON THE HEAVENLY GOLF COURSE?

    IT SEEMS THAT THE LORD JESUS AND HIS DAD GOD THE FATHER ENJOY A GAME OF GOLF

    THE LORD JESUS IS A SIX HANDICAP GOLFER ALMIGHTY GOD THE FATHER IS A SCRATCH GOLFER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES NOT LIKE GOLF.

    HOW LIKELY IS IT, THAT OF ALL THE MILLIONS OF SOULS IN HEAVEN, KAT HAPPENS TO SEE JESUS PLAYING A GAME OF GOLF WITH ONE OF THE SUBJECTS OF HER BOOK?

    KAT DESCRIBES A MOVE THEATRE; WHERE PEOPLE PLAY THE ROLES IN THE FILMS THEMSELVES; HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO DO THAT? RATHER THAN JUST SIT DOWN TO WATCH A CLASSIC FILM. I WOULDN’T.]
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    HELLO/JELLY PARKS AND JELLO RAINBOWS?

    JUST TO ENLIGHTEN READERS JELLY OR JELLO IS JUST SWEETENED PROTEIN MADE FROM THE HOOVES OF DEAD ANIMALS, LIKE HORSES OR CATTLE. YUK AND WE ARE TO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL GOUGE OURSELVES WITH THIS WOBBLY STUFF IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN?

    JELLO/JELLY PARKS AND RAINBOWS MADE OF JELLO WHICH YOU OR YOUR KIDS CAN SLIDE DOWN AND EAT THE WOBBLY STUFF TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT, ESPECIALLY THE KIDS

    SANTA CLAUSE IS UP THERE ACCORDING TO THIS NUT CASE, HANDING OUT PRESENTS TO KIDS ON CHRISTMAS DAY.

    WHILE I HAVE NOTHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT THE FAMILY GETTING TOGETHER ON CHRISTMAS DAY AND GIVING CHILDREN GIFTS .

    I DO AND REALLY, REALLY DO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH A PREVIOUS NON-EXISTING BEING CALLED SANTA CLAUSE OR FATHER CHRISTMAS IN THIS WORLD OR THE NEXT. SLIDING DOWN THE CHIMNEYS OF OUR HEAVENLY MANSIONXS, PUTTING PRESENTS NEXT TO OUR SLEEPING KIDS UP THERE AND DRINKING GLASS OF MILK AND EATING CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES, THAT THE LITTLE KIDS LEFT FOR HIM.

    CHRISTOPHER REEVES

    THE ATHEIST HOLLYWOOD ACTOR WHO PLAYED SUPERMAN ACCORDING TO KAT KERR, CHRISTOPHER REEVES IS UP IN HEAVEN TEACHING HEAVENLY BEINGS HOW TO FLY LIKE SUPERMAN? (SOMETHING HE COULD NOT DO DOWN HERE ON PLANET EARTH)

    JOHN WAYNE

    JOHN WAYNE IN HEAVEN STILL MAKING MOVIES OF WHICH MOST LIKELY THE FATHER THE SON JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ATTEND AND THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT OBVIOUSLY HAVE FREE SEASON TICKETS

    JOHN WAYNE IS STILL MAKING HIS COWBOY MOVES IN HEAVEN, GUNS BLAZING KILLING CROOKS

    JOHN WAYNE WHO NEVER REPENTED OR ASKED THE LORD JESUS INTO HIS HEART IS IN HEAVEN MAKING VIOLENT MOVES IN HEAVEN (WHAT UTTER GARBAGE IS THAT?)

    KIDS RACE AROUND ON REAL HOOVER BOARDS, EATING JELLO/JELLY FROM HUGE JELLO RAINBOWS AS THEY GO. ADULTS UP THERE ALSO LOVES EATING THE PRODUCTS OF HORSES HOOVES WHICH FROM WHICH IT IS MADE. ‘YUK”

    THERE ARE MILK CHOCOLATE SHAKE FALLS BIGGER THAN THE NIAGARA FALLS

    IN HEAVEN KIDS HAVE COMPUTERS UP THERE AND PLAY COMPUTER GAMES TO THEIR LITTLE HEARTS CONTENT

    PIZZA’S IN HEAVEN ARE BIGGER THAN TABLE TOPS

    MICHAEL JACKSON A POSSIBLE CHILD MOLESTER WHO LIVED AN HEDONISTIC LIFE IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN HEAVEN DOING WHAT?

    WHITNEY HOUSTON DRUG ADDICT WHO LIVED A LIFE OF SIN IS ALSO SUPPOSE TO BE IN HEAVEN.

    MAYBE EVEN ADOLF HITLER IS UP THERE IN HEAVEN BECAUSE KAT ERRS GOD SEEMS TO ALLOW JUST ANYONE INTO HEAVEN, NO MATTER HOW EVIL OR DEPRAVED THEY WERE IN LIFE?

    HEAVEN IS A COLOSSAL PLANET FAR- FAR-FAR-FAR AWAY IN THE UNIVERSE AND ALMIGHTY GOD AND THE HOLY TRINITY LIVE THERE (THE QUESTION BEGS THEN WHERE WAS ALMIGHTY GOD LOCATED WHEN HE CREATED THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE)

    UP THERE IN HEAVEN YOU CAN HOP ON A TIME MACHINE AND GO BACK AND WATCH ALMIGHTY GOD CREATING THE UNIVERSE

    ALLEGEDLY UP THERE NOTHING DODGY ALLOWED. BUT SHE MENTIONS ONE OF THE FILMS AS BEING STAR WARS, WHERE SWORDS ARE BEING WIELDED. HOWEVER, STAR WARS HAS ITS OWN RELIGION, WHICH IS VERY NEW AGE; THE SO CALLED ‘FORCE’.

    JOHN WAYNE IS FEATURED IN ONE FILM, WIELDING A GUN AND CHASING SOME VILLAINS. SO WHY IS THERE VIOLENCE ALLOWED?

    THERE IS A HUGE ROLLER COASTER IN HEAVEN. WOULD EVERYONE WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT? I WOULDN’T.

    KAT KERRS GOD MAKES MISTAKES AND THEN GOES BACK AND CORRECTS THEM? (REALLY THAT IS NOT THE GOD I WORSHIP OR WOULD WANT TO WORSHIP?)

    KAT TELLS US THAT THERE IS A COLOSSAL DISNEY LAND WITH MICKEY MOUSE DONALD DUCK AND THE REST OF THE CHARACTERS UP THERE AS WELL EXCEPT THAT THEY ARE ALIVE KAT TELLS US THAT THERE IS A COLOSSAL DISNEY LAND WITH MICKEY MOUSE DONALD DUCK AND THE REST OF THE CHARACTERS UP THERE AS WELL EXCEPT THAT THEY ARE ALIVE

    MORE ABOUT WATCHING CREATION AND ALMIGHTY GOD MAKING MISTAKE?
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    KAT DESCRIBES A ROOM IN HEAVEN, WHERE YOU HAVE TO USE FAITH TO OPEN THE DOOR. IN THE ROOM SHE SAW A SCREEN WHERE SHE WATCHED THE CREATION.

    SHE SAYS THAT BETWEEN VERSES OF GENESIS ONE, THERE ARE MILLIONS OF YEARS, AND SEEMS TO SAY THAT DINOSAURS WERE PART OF AN EARLIER CREATION. THEN SHE SAYS THAT GOD CAN ERASE ANYTHING THAT HE DOESN’T LIKE, SORT OF LIKE A MISTAKE.

    DO ANGELS HAVE WINGS? ACCORDING TO KAT KERR, THE ANGELS HAVE WINGS, AND SOME OF THEY ALSO LIKE TO RIDE ON THE ROLLER COASTER. HOWEVER, IN THE BIBLE,

    [ EZEKIEL MENTIONS THAT HE MET WITH A MAN WHO APPEARED TO BE MADE OF BRONZE. KAT KERR MAKES NO MENTION OF THIS TYPE OF ANGEL. THE ANGELS IN THE BIBLE ARE USUALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING LIKE ORDINARY MEN.]

    KAT KERR PROMOTES THE CULTIC NEW AGE BELIEF IN A PRE-EXISTENCE WHICH IS UNSCRIPTURAL IS ANOTHER FALSE IDEA OOZING FROM THE SICK LYING MIND OF KAT KERR!

    KAT SAYS THAT HUMANS HAD A PRE-EXISTENCE BEFORE BIRTH, AND WERE SMALL SPIRITS WITHIN GOD. THESE SPIRITS ARE INCARNATED AT BIRTH, AND THE PLAN IS TO HAVE PEOPLE BORN ON EARTH, SO THAT THEY CAN GO HOME TO HEAVEN. IS THAT ORTHODOX? I THINK NOT.

    KAT SAYS THAT SATAN ONCE WALKED INSIDE GOD’S HEART, AMONGST THE ‘STONES OF FIRE’; THESE STONES ARE INSIDE GOD, AND SATAN WOULD PLAY TUNES TO GOD. IS THAT LIKELY?

    [[KAT KER IS A SPIRIT MEDIUM TELLING PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN CONTACT THE DEAD]].

    KAT ENCOURAGES CONTACT/RELATIONSHIPS WITH DEAD PEOPLE, WHICH IS VERY MUCH FORBIDDEN IN THE BIBLE. ACCORDING TO HER, THESE DEAD RELATIVES ARE IN HEAVEN, WATCHING US DOWN ON EARTH, AT EVERY SIGNIFICANT EVENT, FROM A VIEWING BALCONY.

    ]]HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHICH RELATIVES WERE SAVED, AND WENT TO HEAVEN, AND WHICH ONES DIDN’T MAKE IT? SHE SAYS THAT WE SHOULD SAY HELLO TO THESE RELATIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING DOWN FROM HEAVEN. PRESUMABLY, THEY DON’T SPEND THEIR ENTIRE TIME OBSERVING US FROM HEAVEN?]]

    GODS TIME MACHINE

    KAT SAYS THAT ONE TIME SHE WAS TRANSPORTED BACK TO THE RESURRECTION SCENE. THERE SHE SEES THE EMPTY TOMB AND MARY SEES JESUS APPEAR, AND MARY RUNS OVER AND JESUS SAYS NOT TO CLING TO HIM.

    ALMIGHTY GOD AND JESUS LOVE TO PLAY A GAME OF GOLF

    HOW LIKELY IS IT, THAT OF ALL THE MILLIONS OF SOULS IN HEAVEN, KAT HAPPENS TO SEE JESUS PLAYING A GAME OF GOLF WITH ONE OF THE SUBJECTS OF HER BOOK?

    THE LORD JESUS HAS HIS OWN HARLEY DAVIDSON MOTOR BIKE, TO GET AROUND A LITTLE FASTER IN HIS HEAVENLY DUTIES UP THERE

    KAT KERR TELLS US THAT THE KIDS IN HEAVEN PLAY ON REAL HOOVER BOARDS AND COMPUTER VIDEO GAMES

    KAT KERRS HEAVEN GOES AS FAR AS HER TINY MIND CAN MAKE IT UP .

    KAT KERRS IMAGINARY HEAVEN IS JUST AN IMPROVED VERSION OF THE USA OF AMERICA, WHICH SHE SUGAR COATS AS SHE GOES FROM ONE LIE TO THE NEXT LIE.

    KAT DESCRIBES A MOVIE THEATRES; UP THERE PEOPLE PLAY THE ROLES IN THE FILMS THEMSELVES; HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO DO THAT? RATHER THAN JUST SIT DOWN TO WATCH A CLASSIC FILM. I WOULDN’T.]

    JOHN WAYNE IS UP THERE IN HEAVEN MAKING MORE COWBOY MOVIES THAN HE DID ON PLANET EARTH? MAYBE TO ENTERTAIN ALMIGHTY GOD WHEN HE IS NOT BUSY WITH KAT KERR AND HER RUBBISH?

    KAT KERR T ELLS US THAT JOHN WAYNE IS FEATURED IN ONE HEAVEN MOVIE WIELDING HIS FAITHFUL GUN, WHILE CHASING AND KILLING VILLAINS. SO WHY DOES THE LORD GOD ALLOWED VIOLENCE IN HEAVEN WHEN HE FORBIDS IT ON PLANET EARTH?

    KAT KERR SAYS THAT IN HEAVEN, THERE IS NOTHING DODGY ALLOWED . BUT THEN HOW CAN SHE EXPLAIN THE VIOLENT COWBOY MOVIES SHOW N DAILY IN HEAVENLY MOVIE HOUSES? WITH JOHN WAYNE AND HIS GUNS BLAZING OR STAR WARS MOVIES ALSO REGULARLY SHOWN IN THE HEAVENLY MOVIE THEATRES?

    KAT KER MENTIONS ONE OF THE FILMS AS BEING STAR WARS, WHERE SWORDS ARE BEING WIELDED. HOWEVER, STAR WARS HAS ITS OWN RELIGION, WHICH IS VERY NEW AGE;

    (THE SO-CALLED STAR WARS ‘FORCE’. WOULD GOD ALLOW A MOVIE IN HEAVEN DEPICTING ANOTHER GOD CALLED “THE FORCE “I THINK NOT?.)

    THERE IS A COLOSSAL ROLLER COASTER IN HEAVEN. WOULD EVERYONE WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT? I WOULDN’T.

    DO ANGELS HAVE WINGS? ACCORDING TO KAT KERR YES, THE ANGELS HAVE WINGS, AND SOME OF THE RIDE ON THE ROLLER COASTERS OR UP AND DOWN JELLO/JELLY RAINBOWS EATING THE WOBBLE STUFF AS THE GO!

    (HOWEVER, IN THE BIBLE, THERE IS NO MENTION OF ANGELS WITH WINGS, EXCEPT FOR THE CHERUBS AND SERAPHS, WHICH ARE ANOTHER CLASS OF ANGELS).

    KAT KERR MAKES NO MENTION OF THIS TYPE OF ANGEL. THE ANGELS IN THE BIBLE ARE USUALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING LIKE ORDINARY MEN.

    [[[KAT KERRS HINDU NEW AGE CULTIST BELIEF IN PRE- EXISTENCE)]]

    KAT SAYS THAT HUMANS HAD A PRE-EXISTENCE BEFORE BIRTH, AND WERE SMALL SPIRITS WITHIN GOD. THESE SPIRITS ARE INCARNATED AT BIRTH, AND THE PLAN IS TO HAVE PEOPLE BORN ON EARTH, SO THAT THEY CAN GO HOME TO HEAVEN. IS THAT TRUE BIBLICAL ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    [[KAT KERR ON SATAN]]

    KAT SAYS THAT SATAN ONCE WALKED INSIDE GOD’S HEART, AMONGST THE ‘STONES OF FIRE’; THESE STONES ARE INSIDE GOD, AND SATAN WOULD PLAY TUNES TO GOD. IS THAT LIKELY?

    [[KAT KERR IS A NEW AGE SPIRITUAL MEDIUM IN DISGUISE]]

    KAT KERR COMMUNICATES WITH ENTITIES SHE CALLS “SCRIBE ANGELS”

    BY SOME SORT OF AUTOMATIC UNCONSCIOUS WRITING . THESE SO-CALLED SCRIBE ANGELS ARE MOST DIFINATELY NOT REAL ANGELS OF GOD, BUT ARE EVIL SPIRITS OF THE AIR THAT TAKE OVER HER BODY AND MIND FORCING HER TO WRITE DOWN EVIL LIES, DECEPTIONS AND DEPRAVED HERESIES DISGUISED IN A THICK LAYER OF SUGARY RUBBISH

    BUT IN REALITY THIS INFORMATION IS NOTHING BUT DEADLY DANGEROUS DEMONIC HERESY. WHICH THAT IF YOU CHOSE TO BELIEVE THE TEACHINGS OF THESE EVIL ENTRIES CONTROLLED KAT KERR AND CARRY ON DOING THEIR BIDDING YOU WILL BE ETERNALLY DAMNED.

    SENT TO EVERLASTING TORMENT IN A PLACE PREPARED BY GOD TO PUNISH THE DEVIL AND HIS DEMON ANGELS. THAT REAL PLACE IS WHAT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST CALLED HELL

    IF YOU ARE WISE KEEP AWAY FROM THE LIKES OF KAT KERR AND REDEEM YOUR LIFE TO GOD. WITH HIS TRUTH, LIFE AND WAY TO HIM, NAMELY THE PERSON OF THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD JESUS CHRIST THE LORD!

    KAT ENCOURAGES CONTACT/RELATIONSHIPS WITH DEAD PEOPLE, WHICH IS VERY MUCH FORBIDDEN IN THE BIBLE.

    ACCORDING TO HER, THESE DEAD RELATIVES ARE IN HEAVEN, WATCHING US DOWN ON EARTH, AT EVERY SIGNIFICANT EVENT, FROM A VIEWING BALCONY.

    [[THE DEAD LOOK DOWN ON US ACCORDING TO KAT KERR]]

    KAT KER SAYS HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHICH RELATIVES WERE SAVED, AND WENT TO HEAVEN, AND WHICH ONES DIDN’T MAKE IT?

    [[(KAT KERRS TELLS US TO TALK TO THE DEAD)]]

    KAT KERR SAYS THAT WE SHOULD SAY HELLO TO THESE RELATIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING DOWN FROM HEAVEN. PRESUMABLY, THEY DON’T SPEND THEIR ENTIRE TIME OBSERVING US FROM HEAVEN?

    [[(KAT KERR RIDING WITH ALMIGHTY GOD IN HIS TIME MACHINE)]]

    KAT KERS SAYS THAT ONE TIME SHE WAS TRANSPORTED BACK TO THE RESURRECTION SCENE. THERE SHE SEES THE EMPTY TOMB AND MARY SEES JESUS APPEAR, AND MARY RUNS OVER AND JESUS SAYS NOT TO CLING TO HIM.

    THERE KERR SEES SOME SORT OF RITUAL, WHERE AN ANGEL CARRIES A VASE, WITH JESUS’ BLOOD IN IT (IF I REMEMBER CORRECT), AND JESUS POURS OUT HIS BLOOD INTO SOME TYPE OF SKILLET, WHICH MAKES A FIZZING SOUND

    THIS FOLKS WHO ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF GOD IS JUST THE VERY TIP OF A WORLD SIZE ICEBERG OR COSMIC SIZE LANDFILL OF DIRTY JUNK OOZING OUT OF THE MOUTH OF OF THIS AGENT OF THE DEVIL.

    THROW AWAY YOUR BIBLES AND BELIEVE KAT KERR IF YOU LIKE, AND THEN FOLLOW KAT KERR INTO HELL AND ETERNAL DAMNATION.

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