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RNS Best of 2017: Eugene Peterson backtracks on same-sex marriage

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EDITORS’ NOTE: New Year’s Eve is a time of reflection. This week, Religion News Service is proud to highlight several top stories by our staff and columnists, including Jonathan Merritt’s July post on a best selling Christian author’s shifting views on same-sex marriage.

(RNS) — “The Message” author Eugene Peterson says he regrets telling me he would officiate a same-sex wedding if asked to do so today by a gay couple who were “Christians of good faith.”

“On further reflection and prayer, I would like to retract that,” the evangelical author said in a statement.

Since we published the interview at RNS on Wednesday (July 12), the internet has caught fire. The article was the last of a three-part interview series that addressed a range of topics: why Peterson was stepping away from public life, what he thinks of Donald Trump, his view of megachurches, and whether he is afraid of death.

But nothing sparked more conversation than two questions I asked Peterson about same-sex relationships and marriage.


RELATED: Eugene Peterson had this to say about same-sex issues in 2014


Some have asked why I would ask these questions at all. There were two primary reasons. First, he is one of the most influential Christian thinkers in the world and homosexuality is one of the most contentious debates in the church today. What Peterson believes about this topic matters, which is more than evident in the reaction it generated.

Second, and perhaps more interesting, I had spoken with several prominent pastors, authors and theologians who intimated that Peterson had told them privately that he was affirming of same-sex relationships. This prompted my curiosity about his views. If true, I knew my readers would be interested.

I spoke to Peterson on July 6 at 3 p.m. by phone for about 33 minutes, in an interview arranged through his publicist. It was recorded with his permission.

My questions were pointed, as any serious journalist’s should be. They were respectful and in no way pushy. When asked about his views of homosexuality, Peterson shares fond memories of LGBT people he knew during his pastoral ministry. He talks about being proud of his former church for accepting a gay music minister. He said his LGBT friends have just as healthy a spiritual life as he does. And he called it “not a right or wrong thing as far as I’m concerned.” Peterson also acknowledged that these are not statements he would have made “20 years ago.”

These statements indicated that he indeed affirmed same-sex marriage as others had claimed. It would be remiss for me not to follow up, so I asked whether he would perform a gay marriage if he were pastoring today and an LGBT couple asked him. Though he always responds with lengthy replies, he opted for a one-word reply: “Yes.”

The condemnations from conservatives were swift. LifeWay, America’s largest Christian book chain, threatened to ban his books if he didn’t affirm a traditional view of marriage. The heat rose quickly, and then Peterson retracted his remarks, claiming he was put on the spot. While he said a same-sex couple would be welcome in his church today, he would not perform a same-sex wedding “out of respect to the congregation, the larger church body, and the historic biblical Christian view and teaching.”

It is possible Peterson felt he had been placed on the spot and offered an answer that doesn’t reflect his true conviction. But it is also important to note that in the week prior to the publication, there was no attempt to clarify or change his answer to these questions.

Some people have claimed that perhaps Peterson is “senile.” Quite frankly, this smacks of ageism to me. And it doesn’t align with either his cogent state during the interview or the eloquence with which he answered my questions.

To all the LGBT Christians who read Peterson’s words and felt a sense of hope but today feel like deflated tires: I am sorry if today feels like yet another church-induced bruise. Regardless, you are sons and daughters of Almighty God and the object of God’s love. In fact, God is obsessed with you. There is nothing you can do today to make God love you less or more. Trust that these statements are true of you and that their truthfulness is not dependent upon the statements or beliefs of any leader.

As Peterson himself once wrote, “God’s love is meteoric, his loyalty astronomic, His purpose titanic, his verdicts oceanic. Yet in his largeness nothing gets lost; Not a man, not a mouse, slips through the cracks.”

Those of us who follow these kinds of conversations and care about what a leader like Peterson thinks must now sort out what this means for this debate, if anything. All I know is that Eugene Peterson is a man of deep faith who has lived, in his words, “a long obedience in the same direction.” His life and ministry bear witness to his love for God, love for people, and his love for the Bible. Peterson’s views on same-sex marriage — whether he supports it or opposes it — have no bearing on my respect for him or his ministry.

I have nothing negative to say about Peterson today, and I wish many of the outraged conservative Christians had taken a similar posture yesterday.

(RNS senior columnist Jonathan Merritt writes the “On Faith and Culture” column)

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Jonathan Merritt

Jonathan Merritt is senior columnist for Religion News Service and a contributing writer for The Atlantic. He has published more than 2500 articles in outlets like USA Today, The Week, Buzzfeed and National Journal. Jonathan is author of "Jesus is Better Than You Imagined" and "A Faith of Our Own: Following Jesus Beyond the Culture Wars." He resides in Brooklyn, NY.

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  • Homosexual “marriages” are not marriages because to have a marriage you must have a husband and a wife. Only a man can be a husband and a woman a wife. Without this you don’t have a marriage. Thus these homosexual “marriages” are legal fake marriages.

  • I agree that this article needed to be included in RNS’s “Best Of 2017” lineup.

    If you ask, “Which story is more important: the 2015 USSC Obergefell decision, or the ‘2017 Eugene Peterson Backtracks’ story?”, I believe the Peterson story would take precedence (slightly).

    Why? Because this was a major personal test of American evangelicals. What would they do (or not do) if an evangelical of Eugene Peterson’s stature, gave the green light to gay marriage?

    This story gave the answer. They effectively stood up and said, “No thanks, WE ain’t havin’ it no more, we’re not bowing & kowtowing anymore. The collective line in the sand, starts here.”

  • I utterly reject your desire to manipulate the lives of others. Your mandatory construct is not universally applicable and never will be.

  • Of course its universally applicable because its based on logic and logic is universally applicable to everyone.

  • Methinks you failed your class on logic.
    You are insisting on maintaining a historical and mandatory construct.

  • “Not opinion, but fact FACT.”
    In the context of your religion, FACT = Fantasy Accepted as Complete Truth.

  • absolutely. The scripture that supports your statement is:

    1 Corinthians 7 – Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.” But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.”

  • My only issue with Mr Peterson is that it sounds like he was accepting of gay marriage until he got a lot of negative feedback. I would rather see someone take a stand one way or the other and stick with it no matter what others think. I personally believe we should show the love of God to all people rather than be judgmental and condemning. We as christians are only told to love God and love others, we are not told to judge others. That is between the individual and God. The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, so if somethings needs to be changed it is the Spirit that will convict and draw people to the Father. I would rather accept people as they are, love them and show them the love of God rather than be judgmental, condemning and disrespectful. God accepted all of us as we were. None of us were perfect. It is by the grace of God that any of us are forgiven and in right standing with the Father. Who are we to be any different.

  • God does not accept us as we were. If He did, He would not have commanded all men to repent (turn from their sins) and believe in Christ and follow Him.

  • I understand your point and respect your view. Yet God does accept and love us as we are. He loves as whether sinner or saint. He does not force himself on us and leaves the decision to us as to how we respond. There may be consequences to our decision but we are loved by our ceeator no matter what our decision is. Christ died for us while we were still with our sinful nature. Just as we love our children no matter what, He loves us. We are called to do the same, love God and love others.

  • Here are some reasons why hetero-sex marriage really isn’t marriage.
    There is not a single jurisdiction that requires reproduction for a marriage to be valid.
    Plenty of gay people have children, often the cast off, unwanted products of irresponsible heterosexual reproduction.

  • It is just another means of this culture to hurt the homosexuals, JP. They pat them on the behind, directing them to their perdition and this is just another way to kick them in the pants. People who already have mental problems and the culture does this to them, eh – let’s them think they are married. Just another means to keep them out of Jesus’ blessings.

  • Ah yes, Ben, the helpful homosexuals who come along and teach children that what they do is not immoral. Then further lie to them that it is innate and immutable. Those wonderful “caretakers” assure that children will have no respect for God, or themselves and the children will end up choosing death, over life. That is the reality of children brought up in “homosexual” households. The cast offs are abused by the very people the culture thinks is adopting them. Kinda takes the shine off the suit of armour you tried to convey.
    The reality doesn’t sound as good as the fantasy you portrayed, eh?
    Children raised in homosexual environments are 12% more likely to adopt homosexuality. Some gift! – rebellion against Christ and Hell in their future from the same people who cried how hard their life was because they chose homosexuality and how cruel the world is to them, endorsing and trying to legitimize the sin for children. Hypocrites.
    Christ will still forgive them, should they turn to Him, renounce their sin, and follow Him. But remember:
    Mark 9:42 – English Standard Version
    “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.

  • Agreed. We must refuse to let the “elites” in society to get away with lying to us. Its not that difficult to expose the lies.

  • Ephesians 5:11 – New International Version
    Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.”

  • “I have nothing negative to say about Peterson today, and I wish many of the outraged conservative Christians had taken a similar posture yesterday.“

    What the other side of the line looks like.

  • You are applying cultural norms to same-sex marriage. Cultural norms and logic are two entirely different things. If you are confused about the difference between cultural norms and logic, we might logically wonder what else you are confused about.

  • But they’re still better mothers than non-mothers are.

    People who understand that children are people with rights (as opposed to the objects of the rights of others) tend to agree with the view that children have the right to be raised by their own married biological parents (i.e. mother and father.) Where that isn’t possible, then a genealogically plausible set of replacement parents is the next best option. But note that “two parents” == a mother and a father, and no other pairing is a valid substitute.

  • Merritt is sincere, but he was wrong. American evangelicals made the correct emergency response to an imminent Nuclear Train Wreck. Eugene Peterson absolutely went down the wrong track.

    No time for slo-mo Christian dialogue. Evangelicals correctly offered an uncompromising attitude of outrage and alarm. They correctly slammed ALL the media air brakes at once, even though Merritt didn’t like it.

    Which caused a Christian pastoral giant (which is what Eugene Peterson still is!), to immediately reverse his biblical error in time. Otherwise, he would have rolled countless Christians directly into THIS:

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/972182/head_on_train_crash/

  • No, he’s had three marriages with several children. A man who brags about grabbing women by their genitals and sexually assaulting them.

    Heck of an example of what evangelicals support. If they ever met Christ, he’d ask them who they were.

    The real reason evangelicals hate Clinton is because she is a woman. You ‘christians’ hate women more than some homosexuals do.

  • Huh????? hetero-sex marriage is the only real marriage. Without it, you wouldn’t be here.

    No way naturally for 2 homosexuals to have children. That’s basic biology.

  • If you don’t understand that it is a sperm and and egg That produce children, not marriage, and not really even heterosexuality, I can’t help you with basic biology.

  • No they are not.

    Children have rights to be raised by their bio parents? Flies right in the face of reality, it does. What you mean to say is that as far as children, marriage, and family are concerned, there is one set of rules for religious heterosexuals, and an entirely different set of rules for gay people.

    If you actually believed that, divorce would be outlawed whenever children are involved.

    If you actually believed that, the parents of the 40% of children born out of wedlock in this country would be forced to marry.

    If you actually believed that, adultery for heterosexuals would be a fine crime.

    If you actually believed that, the state would not have the power to remove children from the many heterosexual homes where they are abused, neglected, and endangered.

    If you actually believed that… but you don’t.

  • It’s a very Sandimonious thing to say, however. She often forgets she isn’t god, no matter how many of her own sins against others she forgives.

  • Given his obsessions with homosexuality and gay sex, I can just imagine what he is confused about.

  • A man doesn’t have to be a wife and mother. Plenty of women are not wives and mothers. Men, can be parents, however. Or perhaps you haven’t noticed how many fathers there are. So what you are saying is so lame, it is ridiculous.

  • How would you know? Is it better to have a child in an orphanage for ever, or to have two loving men to raise him or her?

  • not at all, tatoo. He supplies the air that you breathe, the food that you eat and the love in your heart for others.

  • “When we become so tolerant that we lead people into mental fog and spiritual darkness, we are not acting like Christians—we are acting like cowards” (A.W. Tozer).

  • He’s more interested in obedience, Bill.

    John 14:15 – “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”

  • Without a marriage between a man and a woman we would have no stable society. Those legal benefits are essentials for families.

  • Some men think that when they put on a skirt that makes them a woman. The reality is they are fake women. Its ridiculous.

  • “When we become become so intolerant and so convinced of our own self righteousness that we lead people into a mental fog and spiritual darkness, we are not acting like decent, kind, truthful people, but exactly liked bigoted, intolerant ignoramuses.”

    Ben in Oakland

  • I wish there were more actual Christians, instead of aholes hiding behind religious belief to proclaim that self righteousness is righteousness, ignorance is knowledge, and bigotry is god’s love.

  • Matthew 1:23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do….

  • Perhaps you need to brush up on how to use scripture?

    2 Timothy 4 – English Standard Version

    1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
    or even:

    2 Timothy 3:16-17English Standard Version (ESV)
    16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God[a] may be complete, equipped for every good work.

  • 2 Peter 2:18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves[h] of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved.

  • marriage is the covenant where two people are united as one. It’s a sacred promise to be together till death do them apart. It has nothing to do with a husband and a wife. It can be 2 husbands and 2 wives. Whatever you humans say is not going to affect any such covenant or promise. it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with the promise people make to each other to share their lives together as one.

  • not according to Christ:

    1 Corinthians 7 – Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.” But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.”

  • Exactly. Good quote Sandi. THAT was the disastrous situation that Eugene Peterson was falling into (or getting pressured into). He almost fell for it too.

    But a lot of Christians suddenly stood up and reminded Peterson what the word “evangelical” means. It does not mean “Suck Up To Gay Marriage.” Gay marriage is not what “love” means. That’s not what “compassion” means, that’s not what “grace” means. It’s not even what “Christian” means.

    And to his credit, Peterson responded. He issued a quick, humble retraction, before the gay-Christian-exploiters could start plugging people into the spiritual darkness. The battle continues, but Peterson made the right move.

  • Psalm 28 – 7The LORD is my strength and my shield;
    in him my heart trusts, and I am helped;
    my heart exults,
    and with my song I give thanks to him

  • Nobody said that having a child in an orphanage is a good thing. Where I live, the waiting lists for (authentic, conjugal) married couples looking to adopt is years long.

  • Christ does not approve of premarital sex.
    Christ does not approve of divorce – it was given by Moses because the people were hard hearted.
    Christ does not approve of adultery – it is a sin.
    No where does Christ teach that one need remain in an abusive relationship. Need I post the statistics on homosexual abuse of children Ben? They are no better than anyone else and abuse is not correct. God will deal with those people and using that as an excuse is just quoting from the pit of Hell.
    It is your culture that is endorsing these abominations not Christ’s.

  • BiO: “Children have rights to be raised by their bio parents? Flies right in the face of reality, it does.”

    There are lots of instances where people in reality cannot enjoy the rights they should enjoy.

    BiO: “What you mean to say is…”

    Pardon me for interrupting your monologue BiO, but here is how it is going to work: I shall tell you what I mean to say, and you can tell me what you mean to say. If the only way you can make your point is by controlling both sides of the conversation, then you may as well give up now, because it’s not going to happen.

    Sorry.

    BiO: “If you actually believed that, divorce would be outlawed whenever children are involved.”

    What makes you think I’m in favour of the recklessly easy divorce laws that presently prevail? I think they’re a scandal.

    BiO: “If you actually believed that, the parents of the 40% of children born out of wedlock in this country would be forced to marry.”

    Excellent suggestion. They should be made to take responsibility.

    BiO: “If you actually believed that, adultery for heterosexuals would be a fine crime.”

    I once suggested – to another gay guy, incidentally – that I would support same sex marriage and the criminalisation of adultery, provided they were put through together. For some reason, he wasn’t enthusiastic.

    BiO: “If you actually believed that, the state would not have the power to remove children from the many heterosexual homes where they are abused, neglected, and endangered.”

    Well, the right to live without being beaten up or sexually abused is in play here, too.

    BiO: “If you actually believed that… but you don’t.”

    And what makes you think I have any influence over civil laws? Who do you think I am, the Emperor Palpatine?

    However much power you imagine me to have, at least I’m not so insufferably arrogant as to presume to tell you what you believe.

  • He’s not repented of anything. He’s a con artist, and you’re his mark.

    I reject the notion of sin, it’s a man made concept. From a book that was written by men, to oppress other men and all of the women.

  • Perhaps, but Christ still put him in that position….so let’s wait and see what He plans to do with him

  • It is crazy to affirm same sex “marriage” St Paul clearly condemns it in Chapter 1 of Romans. Also, Jesus Christ reaffirmed the beginning of Genesis when he said marriage was a man and a woman in Chapter 19 of Matthew and Chapter 10 of Mark.

  • I simply report what Christ has taught – as He requested in the Great Commission. If you have difficulty with that, talk to Him.
    Matthew 28: …..20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.”
    Your complaint is with Christ.
    Btw – loving your neighbour is not letting them go to Hell without fighting for them

  • Christ didn’t put him in that position. Idiot voters put him there. Evangelicals who ignored their faith and voted for a sexual predator and a multiple bankrupt.

    I’ve always wondered about those who obviously worship a book…

  • You just told me what I believe, so. No again.

    No one said you were in favor of reckless divorce laws. I just notice that about 1% of the energy aimed at attacking gay people is directed at fixing the problems of heterosexual society that are the alleged reasons for attacking gay people.

    This whole nonsense about the rights of children is the perfect example of it. Another is the state of marriage, whatever that might mean, If marriage is in trouble, do something about heterosexuals trashing it over and over and over before you tell me that I can’t get married.

  • What’s the matter Bill? You offer nothing to refute my comments but condemnation.
    Telling someone they are sinning is pulling them out of the fire – so to speak.
    As far as your comment about sinning…..

    1 John 1:6 – If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.

    1 John 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.

    1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
    I do err on the side of love – Christ told the woman caught in adultery to sin no more and the other scripture I cited for you defend my position. If speaking what Christ said is wrong to you, who are you representing?
    (edit)
    I’ve give you enough scripture that should you choose to look at it, blinders off, you’ll understand the truth.

  • Goshes. The very same TFP red caped catholic loons that are currently complaining about a naked man in a nativity scene. Really. seriously. Homo obsessed in their pretty red capes.

    Here’s the best part of the article:

    Aldo Maria Valle, an Italian television vaticanist, says “the naked man imposes himself on everything.” He is “front and center, rosy, well built, shaved and with all his muscles well drawn.” In this Nativity Scene, he comments, “Joseph and Mary almost look like two intruders who appeared there by chance.”

    Honey, I had to go LOOKING for that naked man. And of course, a naked man just means that the whole things is a plot of homosexuals, because otherwise, with your group, no one would be thinking of naked men.

    No way. No homo. no siree.

    You boys have some real problems. As Quentin Crisp said to a gang of thugs, though not those wearing red capes,

    “You boys better get out of here before someone figures out which one of you is queer!”

  • BiO: “You just told me what I believe”

    Did I? Where?

    BiO: “No one said you were in favor of reckless divorce laws. I just notice that about 1% of the energy aimed at attacking gay people is directed at fixing the problems of heterosexual society that are the alleged reasons for attacking gay people.”

    Well, I spend zero energy “attacking gay people.” Try again.

    BiO: “This whole nonsense about the rights of children is the perfect example of it.”

    Oh, so you think it is nonsense to say that children have rights, do you?

    (No, I’m not telling you what you believe. It’s called “active listening.” If I’ve misunderstood you, feel free to correct me.)

    BiO: “If marriage is in trouble, do something about heterosexuals trashing it over and over and over before you tell me that I can’t get married.”

    I’m not telling you you can’t get married. I’m telling you that parents come in mixed-sex pairs.

  • Scouting, that’s you are talking about Scouting in your final sentence, so glad to see some one just a step away from having to call themselves Christian. The Scouts are getting better every year and that’s what you need to be holding high the hope they offer for the future..

  • Not a single Scout no matter what their physical orientation would have walked past that injured traveler. Scouting has all the answers, not partial answers or crazy laws, Bill we need Scout Leaders, accept that and step forward.

  • There are two wrongs here and they don’t make a right. What makes one believe that homosexuality is valid in a religious faith where the Bible is the source of what we know about God? We can declare ourselves to be God’s children and be wrong regardless of our sexual orientation. We can point to our goodness, which most people have, and yet still be wrong. In the end, we are the ones who have spoken for God if we don’t rely on what the Bible says.

    Of course, the second wrong is the conservative reaction to the LGBT community. It is one thing to say that the Scriptures oppose sexual relationships outside of monogamous, hetersexual marriage. It is another to try to marginalize people one disagrees with over this issue. And that is what many of my fellow religiously conservative Christians have repeatedly done. They act like the pharisee from the parable of the two men praying when pronouncing civil judgment on the LGBT community. Such pharisees have no clue as to the contributions made to their lives by members of the LGBT community. Those contributions have been both personal and through contributions made to society.

    Perhaps making the above distinction between the two wrongs listed above would have helped Peterson respond with a different answer to the question asked.

  • If Christ’s word is not the love of Christ to you, then you need to recheck your priorities.

  • Matthew 23 – 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

  • Sandinwindsor,
    To the extent that we fail to practice what we preach, all of us imitate the Pharisees. But where we can never imitate the pharisees is told in the parable of the two men praying.

  • JP, you mention legal benefits being essential to families. Is it the legal benefits that are creating a stable society or marriage between a man and a woman. Aren’t they different issues?

  • But Sandi, our country includes many who are non-Christians. Why should Christian beliefs be imposed on others who don’t believe?

  • Marriage didn’t produce babies, sex did. Plenty of babies without marriage. Homosexuals can adopt, can’t they?

  • No. I think Christ is a fictional character.

    I’d just as soon worship Harry Potter, or Sherlock Holmes. 🙂

    I’d like to think there’s a beyond, but I don’t count on that.

  • Yet you come to a “Religious” website. I don’t waste my time trying to convince people something doesn’t exist.

  • No one is being condemned. I am doing as Christ asked us to, using His words. If you believe that is condemnation, I’m sorry

  • Religion doesn’t mean only one faith. Surely you know that?

    Do you believe in Thor? (you too are a Thorian Atheist if you don’t.)

  • But not all believe we need saving. Your response is exactly why government and religion don’t mix.

  • The need to be saved is not contingent on man’s opinion. Christ, who created you, said you need salvation. He knows best.

  • If you want to sugar coat the sin, I suppose so. Best to know exactly what you are playing with before making decisions that can hurt you for eternity, Mark.

  • Sandi, you are basing your beliefs on faith. I’m not questioning or criticizing that. However, when your faith (and I mean “your” with a big Y) imposes on non-Christian beliefs then there is a problem.

  • True marriage or union lies in treating others as you wished to be treated. It is spiritual and not physical and therefore, gender doesn’t count but souls. Watch my over 6000 Youtube videos; channel nijjhar1.

  • I’m having trouble keeping up with this thread. Some Scripture-slingers seem to believe that Christ would have retracted the Sermon on the Mount if enough literalist “conservatives” had complained.

  • Firdt, why, then, only two people. To correct your obviously self-serving, self-justifying lifestyle: Marriage is by nature life-giving and ordered toward procreation, something two men or two women can never make happen. You are so mistaken. I will now pray for you. You know that what you are doing is quite wrong, or you would not be here on these Pages trying to justify your lifestyle.

  • theres no point arguing against brainwashed people who have been programmed to believe and behave a certain way. more so like robots, beating the same drum and still believing in adam and eve instead of scientific evolution. Procreation or not ,homosexuality exists in many animal species and humans are animals too.

  • good news for you, not everyone is christian and they dont have to believe in the same things you do and have rights to do whatever they want with their own life. do what you want, keep your butt out of others lives, unless you like others controlling your lifestyle and telling you what to do and what to believe in

  • No Roger. I’ll keep writing and I’ll keep talking because I don’t want people to die in Hell.

  • sucks for you. because you believe in hell, you’ll rot there, while since I dont believe in hell, I will just go to non existence like most logical people do

  • 5 times. manipulated sexist , racist, piece of garbage. if you read it carefully you will know

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