Does Trump encourage white supremacists? Faith groups divided in survey

President Trump arrives to speak at a campaign rally at Bojangles' Coliseum on Oct. 26, 2018, in Charlotte, N.C. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON (RNS) — A new survey shows a sharp racial and religious divide over whether the actions of President Trump are encouraging white supremacist organizations.

Three-quarters of black Protestants say Trump’s behavior and decisions are emboldening white supremacists while slightly more than a quarter of white evangelicals agree with that view. Overall, more than half of Americans — 54 percent — say this is the case.

The findings, released Monday (Oct. 29), are part of Public Religion Research Institute’s 2018 American Values Survey, which addressed U.S. views on issues such as the presidency, the #MeToo movement, immigration and police brutality.

The survey comes days after a massacre at a Pittsburgh synagogue by a gunman with apparent anti-immigrant animus and a racially motivated shooting in which a white gunman killed two black people at a Kroger supermarket in Jeffersontown, Ky., after trying unsuccessfully to enter a predominantly black church.

Meanwhile, the Defense Department readies for a migrant caravan’s approach toward the U.S.- Mexico border that Trump has called an “invasion.”

PRRI found that majorities of the religiously unaffiliated (69 percent), Hispanic Catholics (68 percent), non-Christians (64 percent) and Hispanic Protestants (63 percent) say the president is encouraging white supremacists, compared with fewer than half of white mainline Protestants and white Catholics (43 percent each). Evangelicals — and, to a lesser degree, white Catholics — also voted for Trump by wide margins in 2016 and many continue to support him.

Percent who agree that President Trump’s decisions and behavior as president have encouraged white supremacist groups. Graphic courtesy of PRRI

PRRI CEO Robert P. Jones said white evangelicals also are outliers in their views about whether Trump has damaged the dignity of the presidency with his speech and behavior, with two-thirds or more of every other major religious group in the country saying he has.

“White evangelicals stand alone: They’re a little bit divided but most of them say, no, he has not damaged the dignity of the presidency,” Jones said at a Brookings Institution event at which he discussed the survey’s results.

Majorities of religious groups — with the exception of white evangelical Protestants — also reported having unfavorable views of the president. In contrast, slightly more than two-thirds of white evangelicals (68 percent) said they have a favorable view of the president.

University of Pennsylvania political scientist Michele Margolis said the findings reflect the political persuasion of the respondents and the way race and politics are so often linked.

“When you say black Protestant and white evangelical you’re also saying overwhelming Democrat, overwhelmingly Republican, and therefore it’s not surprising that those are the results you see,” said Margolis, author of “From Politics to the Pews: How Partisanship and the Political Environment Shape Religious Identity.”

“Most Americans Say Trump Has Damaged the Dignity of the Presidency.” Graphic courtesy of PRRI

PRRI researchers found gaps in opinion about whether recent killings of African-American men by police are part of a broader pattern of police treatment of blacks or isolated incidents. Fifty-three percent of Americans said they fit a broad pattern while 45 percent said they were isolated.

But 71 percent of white evangelicals said such killings were isolated matters, compared with 15 percent of black Protestants. Catholics and white mainline Protestants fell somewhere in between: 63 percent of white Catholics, 59 percent of white mainline Protestants and 43 percent of Hispanic Catholics called such incidents isolated.

Jones, author of “The End of White Christian America,” said he is often surprised by the way white evangelicals and African-American Protestants end up at polar opposites on surveys.

“These two groups actually share a lot in terms of their theological beliefs, their beliefs in the Bible, and it really is the lens of race that kind of refracts those theological commitments and behaviors into really near-opposite directions on questions around race,” he said.

Asked if immigrants threaten or strengthen American society, 60 percent of respondents overall said, in general, newcomers strengthen the U.S., while 37 percent said they threaten American values and customs. White evangelicals were the only major religious group in which a majority (57 percent) said immigrants pose a threat.

The survey also touched on views of those within and outside religious communities about the #MeToo movement. Overall, 62 percent of Americans said congregations are not successfully responding to the issue of sexual assault and harassment. White evangelicals were again the outlier among religion-related groups in the survey. Sixty percent said congregations are handling the issue “somewhat or very well.” Majorities of others — from 82 percent of religiously unaffiliated Americans to 55 percent of white Catholics — said churches and religious organizations are doing a poor job on those matters.

“White Evangelical Protestants Are Only Major Religous Group to Say Churches Handle Sexual Harrassment and Assault Well.” Graphic courtesy of PRRI

While men and women in the same religious tradition often had similar views on #MeToo-related subjects, Catholic women were much more likely than Catholic men (66 percent versus 48 percent) to give houses of worship a poor score.

In assessing the #MeToo movement, 48 percent of white mainline Protestants, white Catholics and Americans overall said it had helped address sexual assault and harassment in the workplace. Less than a third (29 percent) of white evangelicals said the movement had helped with those issues and 31 percent said it had led to unfair treatment of men. More than half (52 percent) of black Protestants said the movement had been helpful and 10 percent said it led to unfair treatment of men.

The overall survey of a random sample of 2,509 adults had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points. The margin of error for religious groups surveyed ranged from plus or minus 5.9 percentage points for the unaffiliated to 13.2 percentage points for Hispanic Protestants.

About the author

Adelle M. Banks

Adelle M. Banks, production editor and a national reporter, joined RNS in 1995. An award-winning journalist, she previously was the religion reporter at the Orlando Sentinel and a reporter at The Providence Journal and newspapers in the upstate New York communities of Syracuse and Binghamton.


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  • Does Trump encourage white supremacists?


    He just now wants to target natural born US citizens as a way to placate his white supremacist base (which apparently hates the 14th Amendment citizenship clause)

    He is deliberately trying to rile up the white supremacists before midterm election time with phony illegal promises.

    Interestingly the groups more likely to say no are the ones most likely to be white supremacists.

  • Is Trump becoming desperate? Very few liberals or conservatives think he can do this. Speaker Ryan has already rejected it. The only people who will believe it can be done are the Make America White Again crowd. And if it doesn’t work out, they can always blame Obama, Clinton, and the deep-state Democrat conspiracy.

  • I don’t know if Trump is intentionally supporting white supremacists, but by chipping away at the forces of moderation, including the press, he makes room for extremists to flourish, and the more they see they can do so with impunity, the more they’re emboldened to do so. He’s like the first little boy in the neighborhood to start using cuss words, throwing open the floodgates for others to do the same.

  • Suggesting the press is one of the “forces of moderation” is hilarious.

    The appeal of Trump is not to white supremacists but to people who are absolutely sick and tired of “politically correct” mush from insincere politicians:

    Barack Obama engaged in rhetoric so high-minded and meaningless only bats could hear him.

    George H. W. Bush said “Read my lips, no new taxes.” and then agreed to a tax increase.

    Solving the problems facing the United States is not contingent on not using cuss words.

  • You sound almost as desperate as the Democratic National Committee, (although nobody can beat their desperation level.)

    But that’s just a side issue. What do you think about the caravan gang trying to overrun our southern border?

  • I am not sure Trump ever does anything with what we would consider clear intention! Clear intention requires thought and the ability to stick with an idea for more than a few minutes!

    Trump has given justification and sanctification to extremists to act out their anger and aggression. He turned the junk yard dogs loose!

    Now Mark below is partially correct that the vote for Trump was a vote against the establishment. I don’t think he grasps that there are 3 groups that formed a coalition and that the “establishment” for each group isn’t the same. For some Evangelical Christians the establishment are the main stream churches that have long considered Evangelicals as not real Christians. For the White Supremacists the establishment is everyone that disagrees with them. For the Libertarians the establishment is the political leadership of both parties and government officials.

    There is a fourth group that I will just call old time Conservatives, that joined the coalition, more because they are Republicans, their parents and grandparents were Republicans and they will always be Republicans no matter what. They weren’t voting against the establishment, they were voting with the Republican establishment that finally endorsed Trump. Most also see themselves as Evangelical Christians, but mostly they see themselves as old fashioned Conservatives. Many of these folk have begun to realize they aligned themselves with the Devil and his minions and not with God.

  • Desperate is Trump making patently illegal promises to rile up his white supremacist base. As stated by alwayspuzzled, even major Republicans are treating it like a joke.

    The demonizing of the caravan of REFUGEES and ASYLUM SEEKEERS is also serving the same purpose. White Supremacist mass murderer Robert Bowers was inspired by that. Good to know you clearly link Trump’s rhetoric to the synagogue shooting so clearly.

    There is no need to get your panties in a bunch here. This is fewer people than a cruise ship debarcation.

    If Trump wasn’t a white supremacist malicious bigot we would be treating this lime every other refugee wave since the “Boat People of the mid 70’s”. Set up a refugee processing camp, take the asylum claims seriously, document them and rely on USCIS clerks to vet them and their claims. Most likely granting asylum status to those who meet the criteria.

    What we get instead is a proposed concentration camp, misuse of troops, waste of resources and the systematic brutalization physical, mental and sexual abuse of people on the basis of national origin.

  • “I don’t think he grasps that there are 3 groups that formed a coalition
    and that the ‘establishment’ for each group isn’t the same.”

    I don’t think you grasp you have to read the article first before parsing and critiquing.

    Every election involves making pacts the Devil.

  • Duh. Of course he does. That’s why all the bigots love him and all the people of conscience don’t.

  • It has become more clear that what ever party is in power, their lunatic fringe feels embolden to do as they want. Why this happens is beyond me because I have never felt that whomever is president had such a direct effect on people and their behavior. I do not believe that Trump supports any of the radicals that have erroneously believed that what they do is acceptable because he is president. I will fault Trump on not speaking out, strongly and clearly, so that these groups will realize that they have no support from anyone except their own delusional gangs. I will again state, that this country needs to disavow all radicals from both ends of the spectrum who seem to be dominating society as they try to hijack civility, peace, and inclusivity for all. All they desire is chaos.

  • The American voters would choose President Obama for a third term if they could. Even the very unpopular Hilary won the popular vote by three million votes.

  • U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST – so say all these African Americans! So listen up, ‘yo!

    (1) “Donald Trump is Not a Racist; Kanye West Knows the Truth: An episode of On the Air with Jeff Crouere”, Anchor FM, October 11, 2018, by Jeff Crouere.

    (2) “Pastor Darrell Scott: Donald Trump Is Not A Racist”, Fox News, August 15, 2018, by Brian Kilmeade.

    (3) “African American businessman: ‘Donald Trump is not a racist, guys’”, Washington Post, April 16, 2016, by Vanessa Williams.

    (4) “Black Republican Senator Tim Scott believes Donald Trump is not a racist”, The Grio, April 2, 2018, by Melanie Eversley.

    (5) “Trump is not a racist, he is a great man: NFL legend Herschel Walker”, Fox News, February 2, 2018, by Matthew Wisner.

    (6) “MLK’s nephew, Isaac Farris Jr., still says Trump is not a racist”, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, January 16, 2018, by Shelia Poole.

    (7) “MLK Jr.’s Niece: ‘Trump Is Not a Racist'”, Townhall, January 13, 2018, by Timothy Meads.

  • Speaking of cheap shots… I don’t suppose you remember Obama running ads about McCain’s limited computer literacy, which was a result of his war injuries that made it hard for him to use a keyboard???

  • Refugees? From what?
    I am all for letting them in – under these circumstances:
    1) they reside in Mexico until properly allowed entry,
    2) only family units are allowed in – no extended, extended families,
    2.5) they must be able to provide a valid ID. Anyone caught with fake documents will be denied entry forever,
    3) anyone with a criminal background or criminal ties is denied entry forever,
    4) anyone attempting to scale a wall, cross a river or desert will be denied entry forever,
    5) anyone allowed entry must be sponsored by a reputable person or organization,
    6) any persons allowed in are on a two year probationary period. Any criminal offense, failure to pay taxes, etc and they are booted. Any one failing to reappear to the local US government courthouse for verification after the probationary period is denied residency forever,
    7) no access to government welfare programs,
    8) 15% of all monies wired back to their home countries are taxed and paid to the us government,
    9) if all goes well, they can apply for US Citizenship after they have been in country for 10 years.


    (1) “The Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) … describes itself in this way: ‘As a nonpartisan, independent research organization, PRRI does not take positions on, nor do we advocate for, particular policies’ … [when, in fact, they do do it with] a tendentious, partisan understanding. … [PRRI] whose subject is religion doesn’t take seriously the actual religion of its subjects.”

    (2) “The Public Religion Research Institute ought to be more careful with both its polling and its commentary on it. It has already put into the public domain a thoroughly misleading poll on the public’s preferred choices on immigration reform.”

    (3) “[The] Public Religion Research Institute-Brookings Institution poll … was financed by two open-borders organizations that back amnesty for illegal immigrants. And they got exactly what they paid for. The biased poll did not survey registered voters. Instead, it interviewed adults, which includes noncitizens and illegal immigrants — hardly representative of the views of American voters. … Voters deserve better from these biased pollsters who promote their pro-amnesty agenda.”

    Source: (1) Mark Bauerlein, “A Strange Research Project”, First Things, May 8, 2017. (2) Stanley Renshon, “The Public Religion Research Institute Strikes Again: The ‘Unaccompanied Children’ Poll”, Center for Immigration Studies, October 21, 2014. (3) Lamar Smith, “Biased poll gives readers the wrong idea on immigration”, The Hill, June 16, 2014.

  • If only the Native Americans had had the foresight to apply your criteria. As to the current situation, are we concerned that the invaders from the south are bringing the kind of epidemic diseases that the Europeans brought to the Native Americans? Or is the problem that they are brown, which is disturbingly close to black.

  • The proposition that “American voters would choose President Obama for a third term if they could” would probably only true if he were running against Mitt Romney, aka PlasticMan.

    Remove California, leaving the other 49 states, and Hillary lost the popular vote as well.

  • Way not to address the question – because you can’t; at least not honestly.
    If the Indians had guns and superior technology, they would have pushed the Europeans back into the ocean; so that is pretty simple to understand; albeit not your desired outcome.
    The problem is that they are forcing (or intend to) force themselves upon a sovereign nation. They are not invited (except by the DNC voter roles) and are in violation of our laws and borders.
    They have no justifiable reason for asylum; nor are they refugees of war. They are a band of migrant workers – no more; no less. If we need workers, bring in what we need, and send the rest home.
    If they intend to cross the border in mass, then the military should use all available resources (passive and lethal) to prevent them from unlawful entry.

  • Never mentions McCains computer illiteracy having anything to do with war injuries. 2008 –“Senator John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, has admitted that he never uses email and that his staff has to show him websites because he is only just “learning to get online myself”. You will find that quote in a number of reputable news agencies, news papers, and magazines.

    Again, why do you feel the need to dismiss Trump by any means?

  • I was under the impression that every adult US citizen gets one vote. Please think before you post. As for Mitt Romney, he was the candidate of choice by the Republican party, and now you turn on him. Did you vote for him or not?

  • Is that your way of admitting you were misquoting Obama adds? You are no different than Trump, that is why you see nothing wrong with it.

  • I wasn’t misquoting anything. Obama mocked McCain’s lack of computer proficiency. Either Obama knew that it was due to his war injuries, indicating mean-spiritedness, or did not know, indicating both mean-spiritedness and extreme negligence.

    After a lifetime of observing DC antics, voting for both parties, and being disappointed by almost all politicians, there is very little in DC that is NOT wrong. It always comes down to a choice between the lesser of two evils.

  • You are correct, you cannot misquote something that was never said. You simply misstated the facts. That is is always wrong. If you cannot understand that, then further conversation is pointless.

  • They are lucky biggots such as you aren’ incharge of anything.

    Why would we have to pay an additional 15% tax on already taxed income. I don’t think double taxation would be legal, even in the US.

  • That’s not a very Christian approach to fellow human beings, brothers and sister, the majority of them Roman Catholic.

  • How come he didn’t include you on the list? 8 is better then 7.

    I would be more interested in what MLKs children think than these two distant, out-of-step hangers-on.

  • Maybe one should asks the same question from the other end? “Does Trump discourages white supremacists?” Some say that if you not part of the solution, then you part of the problem.

  • Wire fee.
    They are not here to be Americans but to work and send money back home – so chare a wire fee.

  • Oh man I should’ve added your name, brother floydlee, to that Hall of Fame … Why not. I’ve just added you in entry (8).

    Thumbs up, ‘bro!

    Oh did you catch Hillary Clinton recently judging Cory Booker & Eric Holder as, how did The Paragon of Progressivism put it? – oh, as “Yeah, I know they all look alike”!

  • We do pay wire fees, sending money home isn’t free.We are here to do our part, often times at the jobs US citizens don’t want. What we do with our money after taxes shouldn’t be your concern. You should actually be happy that we send money home. If the folks at home live a better life at home, they are less likely to want to join us here in the US. Win-win situation.

  • Without those “white evangelicals” to muddy the political water, we know that white supremacy would have died out as a notion, right? I mean, do you REALLY think that KKK people and miscellaneous skinheads have enough numbers to elect the policies they prefer? Do we REALLY not know where the votes come from to make anti-minority election rules in statehouses? Or to yell incessantly about Obamacare? Or to send taxpayer money to private schools? Or to defend assault rifles? Or to deny climate change? Or to oppose unions? Wake up, folks. The game is all at white evangelical church. Your president happens to have noticed that.

  • Repeat after me:

    “John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison & George W. Bush were illegitimate U.S. Presidents, because ‘more people voted for Hilary Clinton than Donald Trump.'”

  • Repeat after me:

    “John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison & George W. Bush were illegitimate U.S. Presidents, because ‘Hilary won the popular vote'”!

  • If anyone is in the US illegally, using local resources – schools, hospitals, police/fire; they should be assessed 15% of any money wired to their native state.
    It doesn’t matter if a us citizen wants to do that work or not; it can be allocated to a legal alien or us citizen.
    The folks should change their own countries.

  • Everyone who works illegally in the US is paying taxes on their income and they leave all of it in the system because they don’t apply for tax refunds. They more than subsidize any resources they access. Most don’t access any thing because they are afraid of being caught & deported

    Unemployment is quite low in the US. The US effed up Honduras in the 80s and it hasnt recovered. That’s where this caravan is coming from.

  • TRICK QUESTION: “Does Trump discourages white supremacists?”

    HERE YOU GO: “Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America. To anyone who acted criminally in … racist violence, you will be held fully accountable. Justice will be delivered.​ … As a candidate I promised to restore law and order to our country, and our federal law enforcement agencies are following through on that pledge. We will spare no resource in fighting so that every American child can grow up free from violence and fear. We will defend and protect the sacred rights of all Americans and we will work together so that every citizen in this blessed land is free to follow their dreams, in their hearts, and to express the love and joy in our souls.”
    – US President Donald Trump, August 14, 2017.

  • Really?
    Religion is divided on whether Trump is a white supremacist?

    If religion can’;t agree that water is wet, what is the point of religion in the first place?

  • SAY IT, SAY IT – “John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison & George W. Bush were illegitimate U.S. Presidents, because, like all 4, ‘Trump won by an overwhelming minority'”!

  • “Religion [does] agree that water is wet” – it’s just that not all Atheists can disagree that you’re “wet” behind the ears!

  • “Obama, Clinton, and the deep-state Democrat[s]” have destroyed and continue to destroy American politics & foreign relations. And you’re loving it.

  • I do not think Trump really cares who is supporting him. He pursues a path encouraging those who express devotion to him. The problem is they are white nationalists, Neo-nazis and a variety of other groups who love to hate. Put simply: he is a narcissist, and he will drag this country through the muck and mire because he has no conscience, no moral compass and no faith as the scriptures talk about faith.

  • Good to know you are not bothering to refute my statement that Trump is merely riling up his racist/nativist crowd for its own sake.

    Your head is in the right place here. That was a reasonable response. But unfortunately anything remotely reasonable is not being considered by our president. He is instead using the situation to get bigots in a froth. Like Robert Bowers.

    We have a set of rules to apply for asylum claims in the Immigration and Naturalization Act. You might want to familiarize yourself with them. You got a good deal of it on point with the existing rules.

    The US has handled far bigger refugee waves than this in far saner a manner. Trump is merely playing to his white supremacist base.

  • Nobody is in danger here. Except for those Jewish congregants in Pittsburgh who were murdered over this panic.

  • Wow blaming people no longer relevant to current politics and fictional people for your woes. What a rube.

  • In a good number of cases genocide, children being drafted as soldiers, political repression, the complete breakdown of functional society, the list goes on…

    It is the job of USCIS to vet claims of refugee status and asylum. They have their criteria already set. Learn what they are.

    Your opinion as to what it is means nothing here. I couldn’t care less what you consider a valid reason here.

    To be civil I will say the law requires a well founded fear that one is in imminent danger for one’s life if they are sent back.

  • Genocide? Child soldiers? Huh?
    Aren’t you getting confused with Africa?
    All I see on CNN are masked thugs throwing rocks at police and at helicopters.
    Masks?! Really?! Antifa much?
    These are people you want to let into the US?
    I will say again, most people do not have a problem letting immigrants enter the country; but it has to be orderly and within the rules.

  • If I have no food, water, jobs, etc; and I ask for your help – that is charity.
    If I have no food, water, jobs, etc. and I break into your house and take your shit – that is thievery.

  • The impression that you appeared to be under is that winning popular vote indicated a level of support in the United States as a country worthy of note.

    The fact that when one state out of 50 is removed from the count the outcome is completely different destroys that impression.

    In the 2012 presidential election a voter could choose the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the Libertarian Party, the Green Party, the Constitution Party, the Justice Party, or to Abstain.

    And we have a secret ballot.

  • There is no moral analysis that provides a dispensation to the government to not defend the nation’s borders or to the horde a free pass to cross the border illegally.

  • It appears to be a concern that they intend to commit an illegal act en masse.

    In law that is called a conspiracy.

    The fact that both the Guatemalans and Mexicans have detected and apprehended a variety of criminal types among them along their course adds to that concern, as well as the fact that they appear to be well-funded and have timed their approach to the American elections.

  • You’re free to make that case before the Congress.

    Unless and until the laws change, however, illegal remains illegal and Americans expect both respect for the law and enforcement of the laws.

  • No Mark it doesn’t. We do however find ourselves voting for the “least worst” candidate in many elections. BUT that doesn’t mean we make a pact with the Devil. IF we are willing to criticize and hold our elected officials accountable, and I do–I send them a text when they do something I think is wrong–I speak out against wrong actions on forums like this. AND if they go way off the rails I don’t vote for them next go round.

  • No chance of the wide-open Trump-hating CNN, NBC Nightly News, MSNBC, WaPo, and NY Times, even pretending to be “forces of moderation” anymore.

    They consider themselves at war, with only one goal: Bring down Trump, bring down anybody Trump nominates, and bring down Trump”s supporters too.

    All media is biased, such as Fox News. But the libbie media outfits I mentioned, they are in jihad mode.

  • If you believe that there is an Electoral Good Fairy Party which presents lily white candidates sans ties, influences, and the other Devils that come with the rest of the candidates, well it must be nice in that reality wherever it is.

    Don’t vote for that candidate, vote for the other candidate and the other Devil(s).

  • Good to know you are completely ignorant of immigration laws and refer to crappy analogy to make up for your ignorance. I will say this, if immigration law violations weee treated like crimes / criminal law, its offenders would be entitled to far more due process rights, favorable burdens of proof and right to counsel.

    Making deportation far less likely. Illegal entry or overstay is not burglary or theft. I am not going to pretend it is for the sake of ignorant arguments or that you are remotely conversant in the underlying facts.

    You are simply following white supremacy memes in treating illegal aliens as less than human and thus ginormous threat to your existence. I gave no reason to play along.

  • Your ignorance of current events is duly noted. You are admitting you have no idea what is going on. Spouting off in ignorance is a key part of nativist positions.

    All you see is Trump trying to rile up bigots. Like Robert Bowers. You seem to share the same pointless panic.

  • I’m 52 years old. I’ve lived in a half-dozen states; attended a half-dozen colleges and my occupation surrounded me with a variety of people.

    I have not met ONE SINGLE Supremacist in my lifetime.

    Help me understand something…………………………………………..Is the NAACP a Supremacist Organization?

    How about the ADL? Is this a Supremacist Organization?

    La Raza? Are they Supremacists?

    Is wanting a “White Student Union” an example of Supremacy? Careful how you answer.

  • That caravan of thousands ain’t coming to chat with and wait on USCIS workers.

    Those multitudes intend to cross our border — and quickly — whether USCIS says yes, no, or wait. Trump is definitely wise to call the military on this one.

  • “That caravan of thousands ain’t coming to chat with and wait on USCIS workers.”

    Why not? It is precisely what we did with the last refugee waves since the beginnings of the Immigration and Naturalization act. We had set up centers to vet them, process their asylum claims and integrate those with legitimate ones into our society. We dealt with far more people in a shorter period of time with The Boat People, Marielitos, Iranian Revolution, “Refusiniks” or even more recently Somalis.

    The only difference now is we have a president who is a white supremacist and wants to use this as a pretext to sow panic and treat people of color like garbage.

    Those multitudes are less than the numbers disembarking off a cruise ship any given day. We have handled far more people in far less time. Your ignorance on the subject informs your malice and hostility here. Exactly what Trump and company want. A panicked easily led and frankly outright bigoted voter base. Fact is, this is not a particularly great threat or even a massive undertaking for our immigration system to handle in a sane fashion.

    The only difference between your panic now and what Robert Bowers was saying appears minimal.

    “Trump is definitely wise to call the military on this one.”

    No its a waste, symbol and a boondoggle meant to appeal to white supremacists. The kind of people who call refugees and any immigrants “invaders”. Just like Robert Bowers again.

    There goes any pretense that Trump’s rhetoric is divorced from what motivated the mail bomb terrorist and mass shooter last week. You made it abundantly clear you are on the same page as them.

  • Trump Gives White Supremacists an Unequivocal Boost

    Never has he gone as far in defending their actions as he did during a wild, street-corner shouting match of a news conference in the gilded lobby of Trump Tower, angrily asserting that so-called alt-left activists were just as responsible for the bloody confrontation as marchers brandishing swastikas, Confederate battle flags, anti-Semitic banners and “Trump/Pence” signs.

    “Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth,” David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan leader, wrote in a Twitter post shortly after Mr. Trump spoke.

    Richard B. Spencer, a white nationalist leader who participated in the weekend’s demonstrations and vowed to flood Charlottesville with similar protests in the coming weeks, was equally encouraged. “Trump’s statement was fair and down to earth,” Mr. Spencer tweeted.

    BTW your quote came after Trump already called white supremacists “very fine people”

  • Again, refugees from what?
    What are the mask wearing rock throwers and those fighting with the police fleeing from?
    The rule of law maybe?

  • Good to know you intend to take from US citizens and give to those who have no respect for its laws.

  • All I hear about is Russia conspiracy, Mueller’s investigation, stormy’s boobs, Kavanaughs drinking habits, why people have more money in their paychecks, megan Kelly is a racist and Beto is the next great Irish hope.
    There’s other things going on?

  • Until the constitution is amended to do a way with the electoral college, set a national standard that makes voter registration easy and the voting process very easy: we will continue to have presidents in office who are not the top choice of the American people.

    Rutherford B Hayes got the electoral votes doing a lot of political horse trading that ended with the creation of Jim Crow in the South. George W Bush was selected by five political hacks on the Supreme Court and the corruption/incompetence of Florida to run a fair election.

  • If you want to know whether Trump is encouraging white supremacists, maybe it would be best to ask white supremacists if they feel encouraged. Read anything about how white supremacists have reacted to the Trump presidency and you’ll see very clearly that they feel Trump is one of their own.

  • Trump certainly encourages class elitism with his tone. Beyond that he is an opportunist to the extreme and knows how to manipulate his base. In addition, he has tapped into the anger over illegal immigration and questioning aspects of legal immigration.

    I do not think he is a blatant racist if a person comes with enough gold or green money or can otherwise play to Trump’s ego. The Donald does not really care as long as he can build a base and seize an opportunity.

  • What is a Supremacist? Could you give me an example of a White Supremacist? As I stated in my comment above, I am 52 years old and have never met ONE single White Supremacist in my life. Are the members of the NAACP “Black Supremacists”? Thanks.

  • I’m working up a little ditty to the tune of “Jesus Loves Me”:

    It’s all Trump’s fault! This I know,
    Doctor Mark Silk tells me so;
    It’s all Trump’s fault is his song,
    His belief that’s true is strong.
    Yes, it’s all Trump’s fault!
    Yes, it’s all Trump’s fault!
    Yes, it’s all Trump’s fault!
    Doctor Mark Silk tells me so.

  • I grew up in a state that bordered the south where there was no shortage of white supremacist both Northerner and Southerner. People may not say it as loudly as they once did, but there are a lot through out the country.

  • Again, all you are telling me is you are willfully ignorant of underlying facts but vociferous about it. Typical conservative/white supremacist approach to immigration.

    You are trying to bullshift because you are out of your depth on the subject and need to change it before more embarrassment ensues for you.

  • People who don’t know or want to know the laws in question such as yourself are in no position to talk of respect for them. You are ignorant of the subject so you use a garbage analogy rather than discuss it directly.

    Perfect rube for Trump’s mid-term election fear mongering rhetoric. Too bad Robert Bowers acted on the same things.

  • No Mark the candidates may not be saints but most aren’t Devils either. You seem to have a need to demonize those that you dislike. That is another sign of your immaturity.

  • I gave you a laundry list of them. Your inability to learn about the subject is duly noted as is your well manufactured panic.

    The same panic Robert Bowers had when he decided the best course of action was mass murder. Given your attitudes towards deployment of troops here, I would say you are welcoming mass murder of the refugee caravan.

    What are the rules against acts of murder? You seem to think its OK if the people doing it are right wing extremists. Right wing extremists have killed over 40 people since Trump took office. The mythical “left wing mobs” Trump talks about have killed zero people since inception.

  • So, only the candidates YOU think are Devils are devils?

    That would seem to be a sign of your immaturity, your need to demonize those you dislike.

  • I don’t think any are devils. As I said they aren’t saints, many have serious flaws, but that doesn’t make them devils. God, gods, godess,godesses, demons, devils and angels are all figments of human imagination and are a reflection of the person that creates them, rarely an honest depiction of the other, the one they are attempting to denigrate.

  • You need to compose your posts off-line, let them sit, and then go back and read them before posting them.

    “God, gods, godess, godesses, demons, devils and angels are all figments of human imagination and are a reflection of the person that creates them, rarely an honest depiction of the other, the one they are attempting to denigrate.” appears to be demonizing those with religious beliefs.

  • What is a ‘characteristic’ of a White Supremacist?
    How did you know they were “supremacists”? What did they say or do that would influence you to believe they were supremacists?
    Is the NAACP a Supremacist organization? As an example.

    Just prior to myself moving from the Atlanta Georgia area, a restaurant I would frequent was a chain called “Houstons”. This particular Houstons was forced to close because they had a ‘dress code’ that the blacks deemed ‘racist’. Houstons didn’t want men wearing pants that hung below the waist.
    Would this be an example of White Supremacy?

  • Nothing demonizing in my post Mark. It is just making a factual statement. I don’t say people are evil for imagining such things. That would be demonizing.

    Small men like you simply make yourselves smaller with your foolish comments.

  • The upcoming battle of all the “kings” or rulers of the entire earth against Almighty God, or Armageddon (Revelation 16:14, 16) will actually be brought on by the influence of Satan and his demons, who are actually influencing these rulers now.

    Thankfully, they will all lose their battle (Daniel 2:44), and will be replaced by the King (Isaiah 9:6, 7) of God’s kingdom, or heavenly government (Matthew 4:17), or Christ Jesus.

    He will then start his loving, peaceful and righteous millennial rule over all meek persons on earth (Isaiah 11:1-5), and provide grand blessings to everyone (Micah 4:3, 4; Revelation 21:3, 4).

  • Factual …. no.

    But it does represent your consistently negative attitude toward religions and people with religious belief, e.g.

    “Religious leaders and political leaders and everyday folk have and continue to belittle, demean, denigrate and demonize their ENEMIES–all of those they dislike for a variety of reasons–because they are Jews, or homosexuals, or Sikhs, or belong to the wrong Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu or Christian sect/church, or are Atheists, or transgender folk, or immigrants both legal and illegal, or their skin color isn’t lily white, or they are educated.”

    which would be easier to take if you were not consistently at the same time trying to palm yourself off as an unbiased unbigoted good-hearted love-everybody lady.

  • Bill Clinton & Barack Obama “are not the top choice of the American people”, then! Because, see, at the time, too, “the constitution [didn’t get] amended to do a way with the electoral college … [and so, now, as then, too] we will continue to have presidents in office who are not the top choice of the American people”!

  • Connelly/Arnzen jas long made it clear that he loves theocracy and disdains anyone who does not share his warped ideology.

  • Trick question: Now that, according to Revelation 5:5, “The Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals”, when will Armageddon happen? At the breaking of the 1st Seal? Or the 2nd Seal? Or the 3rd? Or the 4th? Or the 5th? Or the 6th? Or the 7th? Just give me the Seal Number and cite chapter & verse for me. Let’s see if you’re worth your JW trademark salt.

    Oh and uh, where are we now? 2018 is at which Broken Seal of Judgment?

  • No, YOU read this!

    (1) Rachel Dicker, “Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon Will Quigg Endorses Hillary Clinton for President”, US News & World Report, March 14, 2016.

    (2) Andrew Blake, “KKK has given $20K to Hillary Clinton’s campaign: Klan leader”, Washington Times, April 26, 2016.

  • “When a dog looks in a mirror, it sees another dog. … [But] when we look in mirror, we see someone we know … [and] experience the self as immutable.”

    – David Ludden, “What Do You See When You Look in the Mirror? Recognizing yourself is more complicated than you’d think”, Psychology Today, November 9, 2016.

  • I dare you now to point to me Trump’s racism & white supremacy – line by line – word for word – as you read for the first time the full-on “Remarks by President Trump on Infrastructure Issued on: August 15, 2017”:

    “You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs — and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch. But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left — you just called them the left — that came violently attacking the other group. … There’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides — I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say [that] you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. … You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. … George Washington was a slave owner. …So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down … statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? … Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue? … The neo-Nazis and the white nationalists … should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group. … There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before — if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people — neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest — because I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country — a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.”

  • “[Trump] has … no faith as the scriptures talk about faith”?!

    Give me all “scriptures” you’ve got so I can doublecheck them & throw them back at your religion – NOW.

  • So not true: Parker12 is NOT “following white supremacy memes in treating illegal aliens as less than human and thus ginormous threat to [Parker12] existence.”

  • “Obama, Clinton, and the deep-state Democrat[s]” – are “no longer relevant to current politics”?!


  • Faith is the assurance of things hoped, and of things yet unseen . . .
    He does not have it.
    And claim all you want about being a False accuser if it gets you off.

  • We deserve better. Until we can convince most Americans to change the system, it is what we have.

  • For whatever reason, the lesser of two evils for me is the person not connected to violent white supremacy and who at least pretends to respect other people. No other presidential candidate has boasted that he could commit murder and no one would care. That’s just a deal breaker for me.

  • I guess … if all of it is true, what is the issue? I mean, some media outlets are full of outright lies and other media outlets …?

  • I think it goes the other way. Many white people still believe they are simply better than other people and have not let go of racism. They join churches that reflect their values. If the white evangelical church did not reflect people’s values, they would be gone because no one would attend or contribute to them. So I don’t blame the church, I blame the people who have (to my mind) bad values. We still have to bring our ideas to people we disagree with and try to convince them that our values are better.

  • What I take from this conversation is that regardless of the reasons that conservatives oppose immigration (racism, jobs, abstract principles of law) — we among the progressives have not put forward an immigration plan that makes sense to people who disagree with us. We do have a system for processing asylum claims and many people fleeing Central America do have such claims but there are also many people who want to come and work in the United States b/c there is more opportunity. No one (that I know of) is working on any kind of real immigration plan on either side b/c it is so politicized. So that is a failure.

  • There are literally only like 15 black people in teh United States who think he is not a racist and they have all been on TV.

  • Lots of restaurants have dress codes. News article? Supremacy means that you think your group is inherently better than another. There are black supremacist groups but the NAACP is not one of them.

  • “Trump … will drag this country through the muck and mire because he has no … ‘assurance of things hoped, and of things yet unseen’ [Hebrews 11:1, SINGULAR] … as the scriptures [PLURAL] talk about faith”? 4 huge problems with that. Resolve them – NOW.

    (1) “Scriptures”, you said, more than 1 verse, and I asked for them to see. But you gave me only 1. More, please.

    (2) Explain what’s so faithless about Trump’s faith as here confessed: “Faith and family, not government and bureaucracy, are the center of American life.” (August 27, 2018) “We [Americans] underscore the crucial importance of faith in fostering strong families and communities. … I was taught growing up that faith and government were completely separated and completely different.” (August 1, 2018) “Faith is central to American life and to liberty.” (February 8, 2018) “Schools should not be a place that drive out faith and religion, but that should welcome faith and religion with wide, open, beautiful arms. Faith inspires us to be better, to be stronger, to be more caring and giving, and more determined to act in selfless and courageous defense of what is good and what is right.” (June 8, 2017)

    (3) Prove to me that monicadeangelis – the person you were badmouthing Trump’s faithlessness to – is herself not faithless.

    (4) Prove to me that you, a self-proclaimed faithful, are indeed a born-from-above, fired-up and die-hard follower of THE Christ Jesus of the gospels, epistles and revelation, by enduring the cross that you carry in your life of faith in response to the ransoming Fatherly love of God through the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of His own beloved Son, Jesus, the Messiah of Israel and the savior of the rest of the world.

  • Translation: you a crypto-racist refuse to recognize these 15 as truly & essentially & genuinely “black people”.

  • …they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter (district). -Isa 56:11 In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand (priority) is full of bribes. -Psa 26:10 Having eyes full of sexual desires, and cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: a mind they have exercised with greedy practices; cursed men..-2Peter 2:14 Perverse men of corrupt minds, destitute of the Truth, supposing that gain is godliness…-1Tim 6:5 They turn justice to bitterness, and neglect whats right… -Amos 5:7 they afflict the just, they take a bribe, and they turn aside the people from whats right.- 5:12

    They oppress the people to increase their riches, and they give to the rich…-Prov 22:16 They speak great swelling words of pride, they manipulate using the desires of the people, through much wantonness… While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption…-2 Peter2:19 …but these, as natural brute beasts (belligerents), made to be taken and destroyed, shall utterly perish in their own corruption; -2 Peter 2:12

  • Your mind is just as twisted as the Tramp’s. This godless bastard feeds you your ‘faith’ bs straight from statements written by his devious staff, meant to manipulate thangs like you who are to spiritually dead to see it. Government and ‘faith’ can’t be separate if you want ‘faith’ in school, but the school governed by law. Like Tramp, you make this sht up as you go. You’re so politicized, according to your relentless, whacky, politicized comments… government and the Tramp is your Religion.

    I have some Alex Jones Magic Beans for sale…. some White ones just for you.

  • He does it constantly. Don’t mind him, he’s one twisted delusional. He huffs paint or something…

  • So you know the truth, but intentionally wallow in political deception… pushing it instead of exposing it. ‘Praise the lord’

  • …and sexually assaults women. Even explicitly telling us how… “I grab them right on the Pu**y”

  • You don’t know your bible. What you referenced aren’t “the scriptures [that] talk about faith”. Ironically, 1 Timothy 6:3-5 is actually about you – a person who, as you’ve admitted, “advocates a different doctrine [from apostle Paul’s] and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, [who] is conceited and understands nothing; but has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”

    2 Peter 2:1-22 also is actually about you: Who, as you’ve admitted, “will secretly introduce destructive heresies … sensuality … greed … [so as to] exploit … with false words … [And] who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. … [Who] do not tremble when reviling angelic majesties … reviling where [you] have no knowledge … reveling in deceptions … having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin … having a heart trained in greed … forsaking the right way … [Who love] speaking out arrogant words of vanity … [Who] are slaves of corruption … [Who] have known the way of righteousness, [only] to turn away from the holy commandment … [Who] returns to [your] own vomit [and] returns to wallowing in the mire.”

  • I don’t agree about class elitism — that has become the Democrat forte. Otherwise I agree, Trump is simply a businessman who saw a neglected market (middle America) and rode it to victory.

    The fury over Trump is not so much about him as it is about ordinary Americans who refused to accept Democrat overlords after the Dems had been so very, very sure this time.

  • Now, HpO, that’s too much for Tater to read.

    And besides, it doesn’t even back up what Tater said, so it’s obviously a lie. 😀

  • So people without faith will drag this country through muck and mire?

    Uh oh…I think you’re on the wrong forum. 😀

  • One might even say that Bill Clinton was an illegitimate president because a majority of voters did NOT want him as president.

    As a matter of fact that point was made at the time…but certainly not by Dems. And no one was still talking about it two years later.

  • That’s rather a misquote. He didn’t say “I grab them,” but that one CAN grab them if one is a star. Which is more or less true of many women who worship rock stars, actors and other celebrities. For all his philandering Bill Clinton certainly had no shortage of women kissing his feet (figuratively speaking — I hope).

    But color me less than shocked, since I spent many years in a profession heavily dominated by men and have heard a great deal of coarse talk and posturing which one learns to take with a skeptical grain of salt.

  • Then you are just giving me a line of garbage showing yourself to be equally ignorant of the situation and falling in line with the panicky appeals to white supremacy Trump is giving you.

    ” we among the progressives have not put forward an immigration plan that makes sense to people who disagree with us. ”

    Because the people who disagree with us are not rational, knowledgeable and are guided by bigotry. No plan will make sense to them. They have shown repeatedly they are not interested in immigration reform, just appeals to white supremacy.

    ” but there are also many people who want to come and work in the United States b/c there is more opportunity. ”

    And none of them are affected by this. There is no “line” that can be jumped here. Asylum seekers and refugees are handled under a diSo it is an irrelevance to the subject.

    “No one (that I know of) is working on any kind of real immigration plan on either side b/c it is so politicized”

    Bullcrap. There is one side which is taking it seriously and another simply looking to make appeals to bigotry for political brownie points,

  • I think what most people miss about the Groper-in-Chief is that his attitudes about pretty much anything have much more to do with personal advantage and expediency, than anything else. For example, if an African-American is famous and wealthy, and willing to praise him, he’s happy to make time for him/her (e.g. Kanye West); but if there’s something to be gained by condemning them, he’ll do that too (e.g. NFL players kneeling during the national anthem). 

    So is the GiC a “racist” or a “white supremacist”? That would probably entail a degree of thought about the subject that he probably has never engaged in. Besides, he does occasionally make overtures to people he supposedly hates (like the aforementioned West) so that would be difficult to prove, even if one is confident he actually is a racist. 

    Still, that wouldn’t take him off the hook. Vehement, indiscriminate vilification of various groups is very nearly as bad as a concerted campaign to demonize them would be. What’s more, many white supremacists view him as one of them (e.g. David Duke) yet he’s said and done little ever to discourage their support, or explain how and why he differs from them. One might argue his “both sides” rhetoric, after the “Unite the Right” rally in Virginia, was actually an expression of support for them. 

    I simply don’t see how his fanbois won’t see his various winks in the direction of racism and white supremacy as a kind of encouragement for their own thinking. To believe otherwise simply makes no sense. 

  • There were a lot more violent white supremacists around in 1960, and probably all of them voted for John F. Kennedy. Was Nixon the lesser evil for that reason?

    And it is not respectful to working class Americans to dismiss them as a “basket of deplorables” or as bitter people “clinging to guns, religion and antipathy.” I’m not sure any other presidential candidate has ever flipped off the heartland in such a brazenly contemptuous way, which tells you what kind of bubble these coastal elites live in.

  • I am speaking specifically about one man who is a baptized Christian but does not appear to live the faith he claims exercising the kind of justice that seeks the protect the littlest, the weakest, the poorest.. Wisdom and ability is found in leadership in many people no matter what faith or philosophy they hold. I have always believed that it is better to have a wise person who is not Christian than a stupid Christian.

  • Yea, you know you are in culture rot when women become numb to men sexuality insulting and assaulting them.

  • Yes it is a laughable fiction.

    Funny how no prior president complained about being undermined by a “Deep State” or current actions of predecessors.

    That is because we haven’t had such an incompetent and unsuitable president in recent memory. Trump is at war with people with expertise, skills, experience and professional ethics. This is why his staff are all ne’er do well failures, raging bigots and kleptocrats. Mike Pence is an example of all three.

    Thanks for making it clear you cannot he taken seriously.

  • I barely can make out your psychotic babbling let alone ‘resolve’ it. However I did ‘resolve’ you. Lmao… BOO!

  • Parker has been talking like Robert Bowers. You have been defiling those murdered in Pittsburgh with cheep dishonest denials. Your word isn’t worth a pile of horse dung to me. Your judgment is clearly impaired.

  • As I said… I twisted delusion psychotic enemy of truth and god, who supports this evil trash while trying to justify it with scripture. You are a wasted orgsm… seriously.

  • Nope. Already proved my point in a clear and honest manner. If it’s not to your liking, tough crap.

    You already proved yourself to be a lying apologist who defiled the memory of those murdered by right wing terrorist.

    Your opinion means nothing to me. I couldn’t care less if it’s not to your satisfaction. Only a scumbag would think that the first thing to do after a mass murder is make excuses.

  • HpO sticks up for an unambiguous self declared neo Nazi (Roy Hobs). It would be funny under other conditions. Now it’s just pathetic.

  • If it is pointless, why read my posts and even take the time to respond. The point is that Obama won the popular vote and the electoral vote big time, he did it twice, and left Office with a 57% approval rating. So repeating after you will not change that. It only pisssses you off

  • If every American gets one vote, then it shows the will of the people. Obama won big time with both the popular vote and the electoral college vote, twice, and he still got no respect from the political right. That is why he would win a third term if he could have run again.

  • I will agree with you from the secular standpoint, and add some things I think church ought to be doing. If God created everybody and Jesus loves everybody, then church attendees are the ones who should most know and best know that they are called to treat EVERY BODY with kindness, fairness, respect and love. This is being lost too many places.

  • Obama won twice, and won in almost every demographic. Hillary apologized for the “basket of “deplorables” remark. Obama was describing how jobs had been disappearing in small towns in Pennsylvania and across the Midwest for 25 years with nothing to replace them. He then added: ‘It’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment, as a way to explain their frustrations.’

    President Trump has waged trade wars with several countries, aiming to renegotiate deals and has instituted tariffs on imports that have been met with retaliatory tariffs on exports. Many of those have taken a toll on Midwestern farmers, for example. And some automakers have come out against Trump’s moves on car imports.

  • Only you think I am trying to “palm myself off as an unbiased unbigoted good-hearted love-everybody lady. It should be obvious to folks that there are some that I definitely don’t “love”, and some I don’t like very much!

  • Your posts absolutely reek of hatred of religion, people who adhere to religion, and people who make decisions based on religious beliefs, as I have demonstrated with direct quotations from your posts and can provide more if requested.

    Will it be necessary to similarly provide quotations of your self-presentations as open-minded, fair-minded, tolerant, and unbigoted?

  • There are black supremacist groups but the NAACP is not one of them.

    Ok. So why are “White Student Unions” considered ‘racist’ and not allowed to happen?

  • Good analysis. Basically Trump is an opportunist who has brilliantly exploited white paranoia to become President. That opportunistic exploitation has certainly involved a nod to white racism.

  • You don’t give him enough credit. He does not let himself be burdened by foolish things like logic and moral consistency.

  • Too bad for you the story was fiction

    The guy was trolling HRC
    “The Daily Beast reviewed Federal Election Commission filings from the campaign and found no evidence of Quigg’s name or anonymous contributions. Additionally, the FEC expressly prohibits making contributions in another person’s name.”

    “I don’t care about evidence,” Quigg said when pushed further. “I don’t care if she says she didn’t get

    You are a liar who supports white supremacist terrorism,

  • Said a person who has been spamming this board with fictional denials and excuses for right wing terrorists.

  • Do away with it? It doesn’t exist at the national level — at least not in any politically significant sense.

  • Obama’s remarks were condescending and smug, communicating that midwesterners are stupid; he would have done better to come up with a solution for the disappearance of jobs.

    “Hillary apologized for the “basket of “deplorables” remark.” Trump apologized for his locker-room talk as well. I’ll be impressed if you will. No? Ok, forget it then, for Hillary may have apologized but she was hardly sincere since she continues piling insults on middle America that she thinks “look backwards” or hate “blacks having rights” or “women having jobs” (more liberal bubble-bigotry — sure sounds comparable to “deplorable”). And her insults to women are even worse, implying that we do not think but only vote as our husbands tell us otherwise we would SURELY have welcomed her beneficent reign with shouts of joy. Pfft.

  • ?”Spuddie” = “Tater”? I think you’re onto something there, Shawnie5, worth double-checking …

    … Well, well, well, right you are. According to Leite’s Culinaria, “Spuddies” (yup, more than 1 in existence as we know it), a.k.a. “Tater Tots”, come out of – get this! – “1 1/2 pounds baking potatoes (about 3 large) … 2 cups cold water … 1 tablespoon unflavored gelatin … 2 tablespoons Wondra (instant) flour … Salt to taste … Peanut or canola oil for deep-frying [and] Fleur de sel to taste”!

    No wonder, like you said, “[if the truth] doesn’t … back up what Tater said, … it’s obviously a lie”!

  • The opinion polls and state referenda show that majorities of Americans are on my side on the issues on which I have addressed here

  • Other 50% of “Americans are on [Mark Connelly’s] side on the issues on which [he] ha[s] addressed here”. Hear them chant:

    4 more years, Trump!
    4 more years, Trump!
    4 more years, Trump!
    4 more years, Trump!

  • Of course I am entitled to my “pretensions” just as you are Mark! Get over yourself and grow up.

  • Is “grow up” your very favorite phrase?

    It appears to mean “Stop disagreeing with me”, or perhaps “Drop those religious beliefs and get with my program.”

    If there is more to it than that, you’ve been unsuccessful in communicating it.

  • For you it is! It means it is time to educate yourself about the issues, to do your due dilligence, to quit responding like a child to a person whose comments you don’t like and can’t refute. It is time to act responsibly.

  • As I have demonstrated repeatedly, you’re the one who needs education on the issues.

    And I will continue to do so.

  • Hillary was a horrible candidate, no doubt, but there is no appeal to Trump besides him representing a big middle finger. That’s it.

  • He has gotten more done in two years than Obama got done in eight.

    He seems to listen to the electorate, while predecessor like to preach to the electorate, and at time chastise the electorate.

    He eschews PC speech, which most folks appreciate.

    The economy is booming after eight years of nada.

    He was not elected to be Pontificator in Chief.

  • He listens to his supporters yes. And he will say what they want him to say. That is not a leader.

    There is a difference between eschewing PC speech and a basic lack of civility. The difference is obvious.

    Trump doesn’t pontificate? Really?

  • Last first – provide a concrete example of Trump pontificating.

    Trump does not lack basic civility. The account of his visit to the Pittsburgh synagogue was one of sensitivity and tact.

    He’s gotten more done on trade in the last year than the last two administrations in 16.

    That’s leadership.

    Once we cut the sloganeering and sneering, he’s actually been surprisingly competent.

  • Say it, say it:

    “John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Benjamin Harrison & George W. Bush were illegitimate U.S. Presidents, because ‘Obama won the popular vote and the electoral vote big time, he did it twice, and left Office with a 57% approval rating'”!

  • A short answer: A supremacist is one that just because of their race they believe that they are entitled to certain privileges not given to others. Supremacist also believe that just because of their race they are entitled to degrade members of other races. This can be in both in actions and words.
    The counter argument is that all men are created equal and are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights. Regardless of their race.

  • A supremacist is one that just because of their race they believe that they are entitled to certain privileges not given to others

    Interesting…………could you give me an example?

    This is good news; as I have never met one single person with this belief.

  • I don’t think that you can judge Trump by how one tiny little fringe group of nutcases thinks about him. Their ideas about everything else are off. Why should what they think about Trump be any more valid. They are idiots. I don’t care what they believe about anything.

  • I’m not sure that he is chipping away at the forces of moderation. In fact, it might be exactly the opposite. I am not a Trump supporter but I do see a lot of his supporters complaining that they are being mistreated and falsely accused of being racists, etc. Where were the forces of moderation when his supporters could not hear him speak in Chicago? As an independent, I usually want to hear both sides speak. Where is the outrage about this?

    Freedom of speech is more important to me than anything Trump could say and when I saw people violating those rights in Chicago, where was the force of moderation there? People were celebrating and cheering about this. While I am not interested in anything that he has to say, those of his supporters who went to see him had their rights violated. No one seemed to care about this at all. Where was the press defending their rights? If the press is not even going to defend the right to free speech anymore, maybe it’s time that somebody starting using cuss words to open the floodgates. We have the right to “peacefully protest”, not to violate the rights of others.

  • The words aren’t being used here in a religious sense, but as a depiction of human strengths and weaknesses. I agree that most all candidates have some good and bad points. Demonizing the candidate that you don’t like is the issue and I see both candidates doing it.

  • On the subjects in question, diversion of public funds to private schools and abortion rights, public opinion has been strongly on my side for 50 years or so. And my positions on these issues essentially match those of Madison and Jefferson.

  • While Trump as a person bothers a lot of people, the voters had their reasons to elect him. I am far more concerned with the behavior of the voters than I am of the elected officials. The lack of tolerance and civility is very worrisome. Vote however you like but please respect the rights of others to do the same without being harassed.

  • And who, exactly, are these terrorists? I see people that I don’t like on both sides. I don’t see any of them as terrorists and it is those that are intolerant and have resorted to name calling and personal attacks that I am concerned with. Is anyone that disagrees with you a terrorist?

  • I do not see anything that was said about religion. Please point it out to me. Unless I have missed a post, you are misinterpreting the comments.

  • I don’t see where you have demonstrated anything at all, let alone repeatedly. The terms gods and demons are often used to describe a person’s behavior, having nothing at all, whatsoever, to do with religion. “He thinks he’s God’s gift to women.”, for example. The statement has nothing at all to do with God. Dealing with your own “demons”, refers to bad habits. Nothing at all to do with demons. The demonetization of some people in politics is unwarranted. This is NOT about actual demons. THIS is what was said. There is no reference at all to anything religious.

  • What is your evidence that they are white nationalists and Neo-nazis or groups who love to hate? Some of my friends and family members and neighbors that support Trump. I don’t agree with them, but not one of them is a white nationalist or Neo-nazi.

  • And those protestors who wouldn’t allow Trump to speak in Chicago, were they civil? Whatever you think of Trump, he and his supporters have the right to free speech and to peacefully assemble. When people are proud because they violated the rights of other American citizens, that is not civil. Were you complaining about a lack of civility when that happened?

  • That was stupid. No loser, the real terrorists are the ones mailing bombs and shooting people in houses of worship. Right wing nut jobs. The intolerant people are the ones engaging in panic over racist appeals and support discrimination under color of law. Not I. But your crowd clearly. I don’t have to tolerate white supremacy, rampant lying and excuses for murder. Your willingness to overlook or make excuses for it makes you a crappy person.

  • Because there are no left wing nut jobs, right? Perhaps you have heard of James Hodgkinson, Bill Ayres and Ted Kaczynski? Terrorists come from both parties, in case you haven’t figured that out yet, and apparently you have not. They are mentally ill or evil, but there extremist nutcases in BOTH parties. Rational people know this.

    “The intolerant people are the ones engaging in panic over racist appeals and support discrimination under color of law.” Really? And just who are these people? Not you? Look again. I think it most certainly IS you. If not, then please tell me exactly who they are and provide actual evidence of your lame accusations.

    “But your crowd clearly.” Ok. Where is your proof? Actual evidence? You know nothing at all about me but have made all kinds of false assumptions, just because I asked you a simple question. Clearly, you got it all wrong. I don’t actually have a crowd anymore. I’m currently looking for a crowd that is sane, tolerant and if it’s not too much to ask, intelligent.

    I am an independent because I am beyond disgusted with BOTH parties. There are many reasons why I am not a conservative. Most of my views are liberal and I SHOULD be a Democrat, but it is because of your intolerance and outright hatred that I will never be one.

    Please tell me where you see anything that I said about anyone tolerating white supremacy? Anything at all? I just roll my eyes at that phrase anymore. Anyone and everyone is a racist and a white supremacist these days. Where it actually does exist won’t matter anymore because of the aimless accusations. Rampant lying and excuses for murder.”? Is there anything in particular that you are ranting about or just spewing rhetoric at anyone and everyone?

  • I am not so sure that the popular vote does, necessarily, show the will of the people. I have not yet come to a conclusion on this subject. If, say, 90% of the population resided in the state of California, or Texas, should they really be able to decide for the entire rest of the country? I do think that there is some wisdom in the electoral college. As I said, I’m not quite sure about this. I think that people tend to look at things, sometimes, only from one perspective. If you are a liberal, as most of California is, then you might be too quick to say that yes, the popular vote should rule.

    But then what if Texas is where 90% of the population lives? Should they then get to decide for all of the remaining states? I think that this is what the electoral college tried to avoid. A large number of people residing in one area can come to develop similar views. We have chosen not to always use the majority vote for a good reason.

  • Generally speaking, the winning party does not get respect from the opposing party. It does NOT, necessarily follow, that anyone would or would not win the next term. There is no proof to guarantee that this would be so.

  • It makes perfect sense if you do not see any of these various winks in the direction of racism and white supremacy, or if you do not interpret those winks as a kind of encouragement for their own thinking. Can you actually prove that his attitudes about pretty much anything have more to do with personal advantage and expediency, than anything else? I’m not saying that you might not be correct, but can you really prove that is the issue? Trump is a rich man. It’s not necessarily racist if he only hangs around with African-Americans that are famous and wealthy. He probably only hangs around with white people that are famous and wealthy too. We all tend to hang around with those that we can relate to. It’s not about race then. It’s about class. A very old issue.

    I did wonder about why he wouldn’t immediately denounce David Duke and my first thought was very obvious. Politicians are after one thing. Votes. Why offend any one group if you don’t have to? Trump is not a seasoned politician as most are. He might have learned to do things differently the next time around but in any situation, I cut some slack for a newbie.

    In addition, who is to say exactly why the GIC supports one person and not another? Your suggestion is valid. Or not. What if the GIC actually does like Kanye, and actually does have an issue with NFL players kneeling during the national anthem. A lot of people have an issue with the NFL position. A lot of people like Kanye.

    Further, I don’t know Trump personally, but some do. I forget the name of the founder of BET, but he has said that he knows Donald and that he is not a racist. I am willing to give some credence to his statement. I have seen many people of color come out and speak for Trump. Even some women. That does score him some points. If I see others come out and provide opposing evidence, then I have to weigh the pros and cons. So far, the only people that I have seen come out against Trump have just been spewing unsubstantiated rhetoric.

  • How has he done that? I don’t see it. I don’t even think that “white paranoia” even exists. It might. Provide some evidence.

  • Absolutely NOT. White supremacists are a very small minority, and they are so ridiculous that no one in their right mind would give them any credence. What they think about anything is of no relevance to anyone at all. There are only two choices and most all of us are disgusted with that option. The lesser of two evils is all that we have and if a few nutcases choose one over the other, it means absolutely nothing of relevance.

  • Re: “Can you actually prove that his attitudes about pretty much anything have more to do with personal advantage and expediency, than anything else?” 

    Sure. Just listen to the guy. He’s all over the place. He says one thing at one moment, then something else another, then he’s back to the first talking point a third time, etc. For instance, one time he said he’d fired James Comey because of Rosenstein’s memo about his mishandling of the Clinton email investigation, but later he said it was because he wanted the Russia investigation ended. And he’s said other things about it, too. 

    Which is true? I can’t say with any certainty. All I can say is that he’s swerved all over the place about it. And that’s my point: He’s not consistent … not with regard to race, nor with regard to pretty much anything. He also vacillates not just between different aspects of the same thing (e.g. race) but with regard to the very same thing, e.g. Comey’s firing. 

    Re: “I’m not saying that you might not be correct, but can you really prove that is the issue?” 

    I’m saying he vacillates so much that it’s hard to be sure of pretty much anything in his head. 

    Re: “It’s not necessarily racist if he only hangs around with African-Americans that are famous and wealthy.” 

    I didn’t say that made him “racist.” I said that doesn’t prove he’s not a racist. 

    Re: “I did wonder about why he wouldn’t immediately denounce David Duke and my first thought was very obvious.” 

    Yes, when first asked, he professed not to know of Duke — which is, quite simply, not credible. 

    Re: “Politicians are after one thing. Votes. Why offend any one group if you don’t have to?” 

    Politicians offend people all the time. The difference is, who’re they willing to offend? 

    Re: “Trump is not a seasoned politician as most are.” 

    Ah. Well then. I guess he can just say and do anything at all, at any time, and fall back on the old “but I’m a n00b!” defense. Right? 

    Re: “He might have learned to do things differently the next time around but in any situation, I cut some slack for a newbie.” 

    I don’t. Like anyone — rich or poor, politician or not, famous or unknown — he is responsible for what he says and does, all the time. Moreover, as a politician, he’s accountable to the public for his conduct. I don’t pity the poor, put-upon little n00b, as you do. Rather, I expect him to act like an adult and be accountable. Giving him this ridiculous excuse won’t do that. 

    Re: “What if the GIC actually does like Kanye, and actually does have an issue with NFL players kneeling during the national anthem.” 

    What of it? I really don’t care. What I was pointing out is his vacillation. 

    Re: “A lot of people have an issue with the NFL position. A lot of people like Kanye.” 

    So? What does that have to do with anything I said? 

    Re: “I forget the name of the founder of BET, but he has said that he knows Donald and that he is not a racist.” 

    So what? Maybe he was on his best behavior around that guy. That one person doesn’t think he’s a racist, doesn’t mean he can’t be a racist. 

    Re: “I have seen many people of color come out and speak for Trump. Even some women. That does score him some points.” 

    Veracity is not something that can be put up for a vote. 

    Re: “So far, the only people that I have seen come out against Trump have just been spewing unsubstantiated rhetoric.” 

    That he said “some of” the fierce Right-wingers in Charlottesville are “fine people” is not “unsubstantiated rhetoric.” These are people, mind you, who’d arrived to their rally armed to fight, and who chanted things like, “Jews will not replace us.” Yet, the Groper-in-Chief said that “some” were “fine people.” He’d also claimed the judge in his “Trump University” case was incapable of impartiality due to his Mexican heritage. 

    These things, and more that I could have cited but didn’t, are all racist things he’s said on the record. They aren’t reported by others so that we have to take their word for it, or not. 

    Some of the accusations leveled against the GiC may be “unsubstantiated rhetoric,” but not all of them are. 

  • “Provide some evidence”

    If you refuse to see the obvious, then you refuse to see the obvious. All the evidence in the world is not going to change that.

  • Because you are deflecting from recent events here. There are no left wing nut jobs who are killing people or sending bombs in the last few years. Nobody considered a contemporary threat. Nobody who I have to give a crap about. But its good to know you are more than willing to make excuses for mass murder and terrorism. Saves me the trouble of taking you seriously.

    Trump is encouraging right wing murder and terrorism while decrying fictional violence on “the left”. White supremacists, his most vocal support base, have murdered over 40 people since Trump took office. ANTIFA, the typical group cited by right wing apologists, has never had a fatality since its inception. Trump is spewing rhetoric of dehumanization, demonizing and panic mongering.

    Nobody has to give a crap about what you think “the left” is doing now, because the far right wing has already acted, killed people and all of it recent. Its not “both sides” liar. Its one side committing murder and terrorism inspired by our president and everyone else on the receiving end of it.

  • I get your point, however, If we all get one vote, do you want that to change?? What is your plan, a constitutional amendment? Please be specific

  • It depends on how far you go with disrespecting people. The Republican party wishes Trump would change his methods. However, if the job growth and the economy grows at the same pace for the next two years and we do not get involved in any more foreign wars, then he will definitely be re-elected. –Just my opinion

  • Sounds more like a mental case than a legitimate racist.

    Either way………………….Ok, so now I have heard of ONE.

    I wonder………………………you hear non-whites describe whites who live in Appalachia (as an example) as “Red Neck” or “Hill Billy” …………..often times they will even describe them as “Inbred Retards”…..etc. etc.

    Is this Racism as well?